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I saw in another thread where someone said that the offense was "humming" when Keyton was playing for Tillman. That statement piqued my interest, so I looked into the stats. Here's what I found. Tillman (CT) has 39 targets, Keyton (RK) has 32. CT caught 36 of 39. RK caught 21 of 32. Total yards CT 331, RK 363. Yards per catch CT 12.3, RK 17.3. Touchdowns, CT-1, RK-3. Pro Football Focus Offensive Grade, CT 65.4, RK 67.8. Thoughts?
 
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Keyton impressed me--a lot--in the games when Tillman was out. I don't how speedy he is--but he is long and can high-point and is averaging 18 yards a catch (17.85 according to the UT stats that I just read). How do you not give the guy some reps in this game in which our receivers are struggling to get open and our passing game is struggling? I don't know if he would have helped--the coaches know more, natch--but it seems rather strange to me that he wouldn't play at all. At least I assume he didn't play--I didn't see him but missed chunks of the second half.
 
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tone357 said:
I saw in another thread where someone said that the offense was "humming" when Keyton was playing for Tillman. That statement piqued my interest, so I looked into the stats. Here's what I found. Tillman (CT) has 39 targets, Keyton (RK) has 32. CT caught 36 of 39. RK caught 21 of 32. Total yards CT 331, RK 363. Yards per catch CT 12.3, RK 17.3. Touchdowns, CT-1, RK-3. Pro Football Focus Offensive Grade, CT 65.4, RK 67.8. Thoughts?
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Idk, but it sure seems like our offense was humming along better than when Tillman was playing. I don't think that's because Tillman is a bad player, but instead because Hooker had to throw to everyone else. We targeted Tillman like 17 times versus Pitt. Without Tillman getting those targets, they seem to be divided up among our other guys.
 
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tone357 said:
I saw in another thread where someone said that the offense was "humming" when Keyton was playing for Tillman. That statement piqued my interest, so I looked into the stats. Here's what I found. Tillman (CT) has 39 targets, Keyton (RK) has 32. CT caught 36 of 39. RK caught 21 of 32. Total yards CT 331, RK 363. Yards per catch CT 12.3, RK 17.3. Touchdowns, CT-1, RK-3. Pro Football Focus Offensive Grade, CT 65.4, RK 67.8. Thoughts?
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Both are really good receivers - I think both should be playing because they bring slightly different things to the table. I would sub Keyton in and out at a couple of positions.
 
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turbovol said:
Keyton impressed me--a lot--in the games when Tillman was out. I don't how speedy he is--but he is long and can high-point and is averaging 18 yards a catch (17.85 according to the UT stats that I just read). How do you not give the guy some reps in this game in which our receivers are struggling to get open and our passing game is struggling? I don't know if he would have helped--the coaches know more, natch--but it seems rather strange to me that he wouldn't play at all. At least I assume he didn't play--I didn't see him but missed chunks of the second half.
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He played maybe 5 snaps when Tillman appeared to be hurt. I've also noticed that they never substitute unless it's for an injury. But to be honest, I don't think Jerry Rice in his prime would have made a difference yesterday. The O-Line got whipped! And when that happens, your offense grinds to a halt.
 
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I'm curious if there is a stat that shows a receiver's effectiveness of getting off coverage/getting seperation. What would that comparison look like. Unless Keyton is better at getting open, it likely wouldn't have made any difference..
 
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Tillman came back or played against the best defenses we've played this season, including the head and shoulders best in the nation defense. That could possibly have something to do with it, and he also played vs Pitt, who had also had a great day against our running game which made life harder in the passing department, not that he didn't burn Pitt to the ground on a personal level. 10 of Keyton's 20 catches, almost 200 of his yards and all three of his touchdowns came against UT-M, Ball State and Akron and he got to play vs Alabama on the night the offense could do virtually no wrong passing the ball. I think it's been more the competition than Keyton somehow being better for the offense than Tillman.
 
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m1al said:
I'm curious if there is a stat that shows a receiver's effectiveness of getting off coverage/getting seperation. What would that comparison look like. Unless Keyton is better at getting open, it likely wouldn't have made any difference..
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Actually, there is. It's called the "contested catch rate." It tells you two things. Obviously, one is making the catch while covered. Secondly, how often the guy is so open, there is no one there to contest it. The Vol with the highest (contested catches) is Bru with 5, Tillman second with 4, Hyatt with 3, and Keyton with 2. Keyton obviously is good at getting open, but it wouldn't have made any difference yesterday. The O-Line couldn't provide Hooker time needed to capitalize.
 
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tone357 said:
Actually, there is. It's called the "contested catch rate." It tells you two things. Obviously, one is making the catch while covered. Secondly, how often the guy is so open, there is no one there to contest it. The Vol with the highest (contested catches) is Bru with 5, Tillman second with 4, Hyatt with 3, and Keyton with 2. Keyton obviously is good at getting open, but it wouldn't have made any difference yesterday. The O-Line couldn't provide Hooker time needed to capitalize.
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Hooker didn't help himself either. He looked rattled and indecisive for the first time all year.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Tillman came back or played against the best defenses we've played this season, including the head and shoulders best in the nation defense. That could possibly have something to do with it, and he also played vs Pitt, who had also had a great day against our running game which made life harder in the passing department, not that he didn't burn Pitt to the ground on a personal level. 10 of Keyton's 20 catches, almost 200 of his yards and all three of his touchdowns came against UT-M, Ball State and Akron and he got to play vs Alabama on the night the offense could do virtually no wrong passing the ball. I think it's been more the competition than Keyton somehow being better for the offense than Tillman.
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So you're going to leave out LSU, Florida, and Alabama in the guy's yardage?
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Florida's defense is ranked right around 100th in the nation. I mentioned Alabama and he had 19 yards against LSU.
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It sounds as if you're trying to minimize the young man's contributions by cherry-picking. Did you cheer when he caught the pass that out the team in position to beat Alabama?
 
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Fullfillmer said:
Both are really good receivers - I think both should be playing because they bring slightly different things to the table. I would sub Keyton in and out at a couple of positions.
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Thing is we don't sub in and out during drives so Keyton would have to play the entire drive wherever you're putting him.
 
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I know we had our OL woes yesterday, but a 4 WR set with a quick passing game may have help some against their blitz package. I'm not questioning or criticizing the coaching, jmo.
 
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tone357 said:
It sounds as if you're trying to minimize the young man's contributions by cherry-picking. Did you cheer when he caught the pass that out the team in position to beat Alabama?
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You started a thread to minimize Cedric Tillman by implying the offense is worse when he plays. I want both to be excellent. However pointing out that Keyton has put up most of his stats vs the worst defenses we've played isn't anything less than a fact. Nor is it not a fact that Tillman returned vs two top 15 defenses in Kentucky and #1 Georgia. Not that the offense struggled against Kentucky, scoring 44 points. The offense has struggled in one game this season, yesterday. If you wish to add Pitt, go ahead but that wasn't on Tillman, as he was absolutely dominant that game.
 
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Actually I did wonder the same thing . Nothing against the best receiver on our team but it’s kinda like a pitcher having a favorite catcher. It kinda changed things.
 
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utfantilidie said:
Actually I did wonder the same thing . Nothing against the best receiver on our team but it’s kinda like a pitcher having a favorite catcher. It kinda changed things.
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I respectfully disagree. The issue was not Hooker or Tillman or not having Keyton involved. If the offensive line doesn't win the line of scrimmage, none of the plays we're used to seeing will work. It all has to work in conjunction to be successful.
 
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I think the niggest reason for the offense humming along when Keaton was playin for Tillman was because of all the time Hyatt was targetted and took it to the house.
 
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