Time Warp? Balkans: Part Deux

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Biggest Serb party in Bosnia threatens 2018 secession | Reuters

Bosnian Serbs have threatened secession if Bosnia and Herzegovina does not grant even more autonomy to Republika of Sprska. Almost assuredly this is a direct result of Russia's intervention in Crimea and probably one of the backers of this next "independence" movement. These moves will also be in direct violation of the Dayton Accords which ended the Bosnian War. If this happens it could also push Bosnian Croats to also separate from Bosnia.
 
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Another war we should have never gotten involved in..hopefully we can just let it play out this time. Let the best slav win.
 
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If it comes to fruition, we need to let this go this time. Honestly, we should have done the same back in the day, but we were feeling pretty confident with no one to challenge us upon the world stage.

And if Russia wants to do something, let them. Let them expend themselves and get bogged down more. That will mean they're bogged down in Ukraine, the Balkans, and uncertain/anxious about their southern regions in the Caucasus, which, to be frank, I anticipate attempting to separate once again in another decade or two.

That will all pretty much take care of the so-called "Russia threat."

My hope is that we've learned from our past couple decades of dominance that we can't take on the entire world at one time, particularly when key places we've attempted to take on (i.e., Iraq and Afghanistan have never, are not, and will never be coherent nations no matter how hard we try) have thwarted our every attempt no matter how much we kick their asses militarily.

Luckily, Dick Cheney is no longer president of this great nation, so hopefully we will proceed with a bit more caution than if he were still in office, should the Balkans turn into a boiling point once again.

Let Russia get their asses kicked there. The Balkans are the Iraq and Afghanistan of Europe. Incoherent, unstable, and always will be.
 
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Burhead said:
Biggest Serb party in Bosnia threatens 2018 secession | Reuters

Bosnian Serbs have threatened secession if Bosnia and Herzegovina does not grant even more autonomy to Republika of Sprska. Almost assuredly this is a direct result of Russia's intervention in Crimea and probably one of the backers of this next "independence" movement. These moves will also be in direct violation of the Dayton Accords which ended the Bosnian War. If this happens it could also push Bosnian Croats to also separate from Bosnia.
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Should we send in troops or military assistance?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Should we send in troops or military assistance?
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Troops no, military assistance? Only if the Serbs use military force and the Bosnian government requests such assistance. Now that I answered you question, answer mine.
 
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Burhead said:
Why does it seem that pro-Russian groups always seem to break agreements/treaties?
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If you look at everything with a pro-Western tint, every problem looks like an us vs them problem. In reality, the "us" should never be involved in the situation to begin with.
 
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LouderVol said:
makes it impressive that america has stuck together with a even more varied ethnic population.
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America's success is largely due to the following factors, none of which any nation in the Balkans has or will ever have (although you might say the Habsburgs spurned the norm for a bit but ultimately failed):

1. Border security - makes your domestic population much less anxious and wild (Hollywood film hysteria aside) when you don't have any serious border/invasion threats.

2. Economic success, largely due to the geographic factors we've discussed before.

3. American moral/philosophical narrative, that despite its admitted history of very bad things, has trended more and more towards integrating diverse populations rather than keeping them out of the loop. I'm no Balkans expert, but I highly doubt any group there has ever made any legitimate attempt at integrating outsiders into the respective establishment loop, whether that loop be Croat, Serb, Muslim, etc. The fact that you also have Catholic Croats pitted against staunchly nationalistic (as most Orthodoxy tends to be) Orthodox Serbs pitted against Bosnian, Kosovar, etc. Muslims doesn't help things either in a harsh political reality that has never been conducive to liberalism.
 
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volprof said:
3. American moral/philosophical narrative, that despite its admitted history of very bad things, has trended more and more towards integrating diverse populations rather than keeping them out of the loop.
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This is the relevant issue. The question is what makes it a better melting pot than other places.
 
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Again, I go back to the ruminations of the late geopolitical thinker, J. Alfred Dingadoo, who pleads us never to trust a people who think that five consonants strewn together form an intelligible sound.
 
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Velo Vol said:
This is the relevant issue. The question is what makes it a better melting pot than other places.
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Maybe I'm just misunderstanding your question or maybe I wasn't as clear as I should have been in my post, but I mean to suggest that all three of those factors help it, the first two (border security/geography and economic success) enabling the moral narrative that encourages such things as individual liberty, integration, and tolerance to flourish, or at the very least, to have a chance.

The economic situation is really key though. Without that, people tend to fracture into groups (most often through ethnic or class affiliations) and go on large hikes together in the streets.
 
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volprof said:
The economic situation is really key though. Without that, people tend to fracture into groups (most often through ethnic or class affiliations) and go on large hikes together in the streets.
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Economics are a helpful but not sufficient element for integration. What are the economics of this?

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Self-determination has been the scream and cry for the past few weeks. Let's see if autonomy is respected by The West in this particular case.... I doubt it. So a UN official can come in and make decisions about the internal affairs of a country?

Is Bosnia on the brink of a civil war? (msn.com)

The Russian embassy in Bosnia and Herzegovina has criticised the suspension of a Bosnian Serb property law, warning that the decision made by the country’s most senior UN official could destabilise the increasingly tense Balkan nation.

Christian Schmidt, the UN High Representative in Bosnia, on Tuesday suspended new legislation passed by the Republika Srpska, a semi-autonomous Serb region, “which threatened to weaken the country’s central government”, Deutsche Welle reported.

The law, passed by the region’s national assembly in February, “stipulates that the Serb-majority entity may take over state-owned property in the territory”.
Schmidt told reporters: “I have issued an order suspending application of the Republika Srpska law on immovable property. Only the state of Bosnia and Herzegovina can dispose of state property, or regulate the ownership of state property.”
 
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Good for them! They don’t want that shill cockroach in their airspace I don’t blame them!

And I knew who necro’ed this thread before I even opened it 😂
 
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