Titans/ Chris Johnson situation

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VolsFan4Ever-11

VolsFan4Ever-11

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I understand that he had one hell of a season last year, and wants and deserves more money than what he is making. But he has to remember that he is under contract for what he is making now, and I have no problem with him wanting to get a contract extension and more money on it.

The problem I have with all of this is, what if he had a horrible season last year and done really bad, and didnt play good enough to deserve the money that he was guranteed on his contract. Would he have been telling the team to cut his salary because he wasn't worth it, or would he have said nothing at all. I understand wanting more money, but you do not have to be a greeds sob about it.
 
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Look at the average career of an NFL tailback.

They need to make all the money they can as quick as they can.

I have no problem with Johnson wanting more money. NFL contracts do not have guaranteed money.

However, if he would use a little bit of a different approach, he might be able to get what he wants.

According to the collective bargaining agreement, he can only get a 30% raise. That's not much on Johnson's base pay.

However, until the threat of a work stoppage is taken care of, no team will guarantee large signing bonuses.

Both sides need to bend a little and compromise.
 
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I'm with you on that, Groves. He deserves it for sure, the issue though is can the Titans do something? What can they do (I'm asking, I don't know.) short of giving him some ridiculous signing bonus with the lockout rules and all?
 
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VolsFan4Ever-11 said:
I understand that he had one hell of a season last year, and wants and deserves more money than what he is making. But he has to remember that he is under contract for what he is making now, and I have no problem with him wanting to get a contract extension and more money on it.

The problem I have with all of this is, what if he had a horrible season last year and done really bad, and didnt play good enough to deserve the money that he was guranteed on his contract. Would he have been telling the team to cut his salary because he wasn't worth it, or would he have said nothing at all. I understand wanting more money, but you do not have to be a greeds sob about it.
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These are the rules of the game, and Chris Johnson was easily the best player in said game last year. The Titans need to shut up, pony up the cash, and get this kid into camp, and this is coming from someone who is most definitely NOT a Titans fan.
 
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Vol423 said:
:no: Wrong, but the Redskins sure do wish you were correct right about now.
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Signing bonuses are not part of the contract. The money on big Al's contract is not guaranteed. The Redskins can release him at any time.
 
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Raiders, Russell agree to contract - $32 million guaranteed - SFGate

There is guaranteed money, but normally that only resides in the mega-contracts. Your standard contract does not have any guarantees, I believe. They're usually loaded with roster bonuses and performance incentives with a relatively small salary.

NFL contracts are ridiculously complicated, but I believe the "guarantees" are normally front-loaded into the first couple of years into a contract. I.E. if the Redskins cut Haynesworth they won't owe him salaries from the remaining years of his contract but I'm sure there is a severance clause built into his contract.
 
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615 Vol said:
Signing bonuses are not part of the contract. The money on big Al's contract is not guaranteed. The Redskins can release him at any time.
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I hate to break it to you, but signing bonuses most definitely ARE part of the contract. Signing bonuses are not hand-shake deals that aren't written down on paper. They are specifically agreed-upon and written into the contract. They are not a part of the salary that gets amortized over the term of the contract for purposes of the salary cap. However, the ridiculous salary cap rules are a completely different topic altogether.
 
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Vol423 said:
I hate to break it to you, but signing bonuses most definitely ARE part of the contract. Signing bonuses are not hand-shake deals that aren't written down on paper. They are specifically agreed-upon and written into the contract. They are not a part of the salary that gets amortized over the term of the contract for purposes of the salary cap. However, the ridiculous salary cap rules are a completely different topic altogether.
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NFL contracts are not guaranteed.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/08/sports/football/08guarantee.html
 
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Vol423 said:
I hate to break it to you, but signing bonuses most definitely ARE part of the contract. Signing bonuses are not hand-shake deals that aren't written down on paper. They are specifically agreed-upon and written into the contract. They are not a part of the salary that gets amortized over the term of the contract for purposes of the salary cap. However, the ridiculous salary cap rules are a completely different topic altogether.
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Except the salary cap rules are no longer in play since they chose to let it expire (alongside the CBA) this off-season


The big, major problem really (and this is the case with several other players) is that he's asking for a new contract in a year where it's very uncertain if the NFL will have a season next year

(actually, it's probably pretty certain we won't, the owners and players association have been telling the players to prepare for the lockout after this season)...really that's the reason why some of these better veterans aren't getting contracts either, noone wants to make a deal with an older player if it turns out the league won't be playing for 2 or more years
 
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615 Vol said:
NFL contracts are not guaranteed.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/08/sports/football/08guarantee.html
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Signing bonuses ARE guaranteed money, and they ARE part of the contract, and it doesn't matter how many articles from some idiotic New York Times columnist you post on here. The fact remains that NFL contracts DO contain guaranteed money. As I said before, the signing bonuses don't count against the salary cap, but that's because the salary cap rules are stupid.
 
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TrueOrange said:
Except the salary cap rules are no longer in play since they chose to let it expire (alongside the CBA) this off-season


The big, major problem really (and this is the case with several other players) is that he's asking for a new contract in a year where it's very uncertain if the NFL will have a season next year

(actually, it's probably pretty certain we won't, the owners and players association have been telling the players to prepare for the lockout after this season)...really that's the reason why some of these better veterans aren't getting contracts either, noone wants to make a deal if it turns out the league won't be playing for 2 or more years
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Yes...I know. I'm not arguing those points. We're in agreement.
 
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TrueOrange said:
ok. I wasn't sure of your point :hi:
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My point is just that people that say that NFL contracts don't contain guaranteed money are incorrect. The entire value of the contract is not guaranteed, but usually (and virtually always for bigtime players) a portion of the total value of the contract is guaranteed.
 
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I do want to take this opportunity to say again I still think Goodell's an idiot for not sitting down the NFLPA and owners and saying we're coming to an agreement even if it takes us longer than we originally planned (Taglibue actually did that)



but yeah, I guess worrying about putting an NFL team in England and a shorter pre-season is much, much more important :banghead2:
 
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Vol423 said:
My point is just that people that say that NFL contracts don't contain guaranteed money are incorrect. The entire value of the contract is not guaranteed, but usually (and virtually always for bigtime players) a portion of the total value of the contract is guaranteed.
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right
 
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Vol423 said:
Signing bonuses ARE guaranteed money, and they ARE part of the contract, and it doesn't matter how many articles from some idiotic New York Times columnist you post on here. The fact remains that NFL contracts DO contain guaranteed money. As I said before, the signing bonuses don't count against the salary cap, but that's because the salary cap rules are stupid.
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I know.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
I'm with you on that, Groves. He deserves it for sure, the issue though is can the Titans do something? What can they do (I'm asking, I don't know.) short of giving him some ridiculous signing bonus with the lockout rules and all?
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Front load a deal with a large signing bonus.

That's going to be hard for the Titans to do with a work stoppage looming.
 
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petervin said:
Signing bonuses are not hand-shake deals that aren't written down on paper. They are specifically agreed-upon and written into the contract.
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Hmmm...that sounds awfully familiar. Creepy. I've got an online stalker. :ermm:
 
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Titans, CJ talk short-term compromise - AFC South Blog - ESPN

If a small contract boost from the Tennessee Titans will temporarily satisfy Chris Johnson and get both sides to 2011, the team could be lining up for some good news.

Jim Wyatt reports the team could convert an incentive into bonus to boost Johnson’s $550,000 scheduled salary this fall by an additional $2.5 million.

Is news of this conversation an instance where the team gets its olive-branch offer some publicity? If so, the Titans could be attempting to both sway some public perception and let it be known to Johnson they’d do a little a year before they’d do a lot.

With a lockout looming after the season, however, there are no assurances of what would happen for Johnson in 2011 as he heads into the third year of his original contract.

I never thought anything amounting to a gesture would be sufficient to placate Johnson and prompt him to put aside his issues with his contract, considering he told Wyatt earlier this summer that he wants $30 to $40 million guaranteed in a new deal.

(Don’t jump me -- I understand $2.5 million is not a gesture to normal people. To an NFL player with huge yards, huge expectations and contract that already includes that money later, however, it may well be.)

Until I hear an indication from Johnson’s side that he’s willing to consider something like this, I’m skeptical.

But he said he couldn’t play 2010 for $550,000, and this plan would solve that without him technically giving in. And he's unlikely to do better.
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