To answer a question for RealUT;

[gsvol]

I don't remember the thread but in a discussion with you sometime during the last two weeks I made the statement that islam had killed more people than all the other religions of the world put together, including marxism which is a religion to some and you asked how many would that be or words to that affect.

I can't seem to find my usual source to answer that question but here is another source.

Human deaths by islamic jihad:

120 million black Africans
60 million Christians
80 million Hindus
10 million Buddhists
270 million total

This isn't a complete list and the numbers are conservate estimates but enough to hopefully make my point to you or any other rational person.

THE ASTUTE BLOGGERS: ISLAM: THE RELIGION OF GENOCIDE

FOR GOOD REASONS, THE LEFT LOVES TO HATE THE SPANISH INQUISITION, THE KKK, AND THERE ARE EVEN GOOD ARGUMENTS AGAINST CAPITAL PUNISHMENT IN THE USA.

THE LEFT HAS NO PROBLEM CALLING THE SPANISH INQUISITION AND THE KKK AND CAPITAL PUNISHMENT BARBARIC.

SO WHY DON'T THEY CRITICIZE ISLAM - WHICH IS DEMONSTRABLY WORSE THAN ALL THREE COMBINED!?!?

I think this is a good question and I think there should be a long line waiting to answer that question, particularly those who repeatedly call me racist, lowlife hatemonger, bigoted and a whole slew of derogatory slurs but refuse to address the actual focus of any topic about the negatives properly associated with islam.

What are they thinking, a fairy godmother is going to suddenly appear, wave her wand and 1,500 years of such barbarity will immediately cease or are they so ignorant of history that they believe this claim is false?

 

[golfballs]

Moslems

 

[therealUT]

I don't remember the thread but in a discussion with you sometime during the last two weeks I made the statement that islam had killed more people than all the other religions of the world put together, including marxism which is a religion to some and you asked how many would that be or words to that affect.

Negative; I asked for 'religiously justified' murders caused by Christians and 'religiously justified' murders caused by Muslims as a percentage of the world population at the time. I think I even lumped in Jews in there as well.

I can't seem to find my usual source to answer that question but here is another source.

Human deaths by islamic jihad:

120 million black Africans
60 million Christians
80 million Hindus
10 million Buddhists
270 million total

Thomas Sowell [Thomas Sowell, Race and Culture, BasicBooks, 1994, p. 188] estimates that 11 million slaves were shipped across the Atlantic and 14 million were sent to the Islamic nations of North Africa and the Middle East.

For every slave captured many others died.

Estimates of this collateral damage vary. The renowned missionary David Livingstone estimated that for every slave who reached a plantation, five others were killed in the initial raid or died of illness and privation on the forced march.

[Woman’s Presbyterian Board of Missions, David Livingstone, p. 62, 1888]

Those who were left behind were the very young, the weak, the sick and the old. These soon died since the main providers had been killed or enslaved.

So, for 25 million slaves delivered to the market, we have an estimated death of about 120 million people. Islam ran the wholesale slave trade in Africa.

Inductive inference at its absolute finest...aka, garbage numbers.

This isn't a complete list and the numbers are conservate estimates but enough to hopefully make my point to you or any other rational person.

THE ASTUTE BLOGGERS: ISLAM: THE RELIGION OF GENOCIDE

Rational persons are quickly going to see the same holes in the inductive method used to come to those numbers...figures that you have the audacity to refer to as 'conservative'!

FOR GOOD REASONS, THE LEFT LOVES TO HATE THE SPANISH INQUISITION, THE KKK, AND THERE ARE EVEN GOOD ARGUMENTS AGAINST CAPITAL PUNISHMENT IN THE USA.

THE LEFT HAS NO PROBLEM CALLING THE SPANISH INQUISITION AND THE KKK AND CAPITAL PUNISHMENT BARBARIC.

SO WHY DON'T THEY CRITICIZE ISLAM - WHICH IS DEMONSTRABLY WORSE THAN ALL THREE COMBINED!?!?

I think this is a good question and I think there should be a long line waiting to answer that question, particularly those who repeatedly call me racist, lowlife hatemonger, bigoted and a whole slew of derogatory slurs but refuse to address the actual focus of any topic about the negatives properly associated with islam.

What are they thinking, a fairy godmother is going to suddenly appear, wave her wand and 1,500 years of such barbarity will immediately cease or are they so ignorant of history that they believe this claim is false?

You are one of the most ignorant persons I have ever encountered.

 

[BearCat204]

You are one of the most ignorant persons I have ever encountered.

Somthing that I think a lot can agree with you on

 

[GoBigOrangeUT]

Didn't gs just complain about lg calling him out in a thread and cryIng for a ban, and now he calls out trut? Lol

 

[DinkinFlicka]

I'm just glad he finally recognized that a lot of people on here think he's due for a straitjacket fitting.

 

[gsvol]

I'm just glad he finally recognized that a lot of people on here think he's due for a straitjacket fitting.

I notice none of you even make the slightest attempt to answer my question.

"My philosophy has always been to attack the post and not the poster."
Volfreak

I would say that philosophically I am closer to freak than you and your ilk.

Somthing that I think a lot can agree with you on

Sumthin a select few can agree on:

"In times of universal deceipt, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."
1984

His post is nothing more than than obfuscation and sophistry.

Those are his specialites.

Moslems

 

[therealUT]

His post is nothing more than than obfuscation and sophistry.

Right, again, from the article you referenced for your 'conservative' numbers:

So, for 25 million slaves delivered to the market, we have an estimated death of about 120 million people. Islam ran the wholesale slave trade in Africa.

Even if the 120 million persons (not 'people') figure just happens to be correct (I already addressed the holes in the inductive inference that is used), you think that Islam takes the blame for for all of these deaths because "they ran the wholesale slave trade in Africa"? I guess those who bought their product (mostly White-Anglo-Saxon-Protestants) bear no responsibility?

That is rich.

Now, also, over the course of your time here on VN have said that Islam is responsible for more murders than any other entity; that true Islam can never accept Democracy; and, that true Islam has to conquer the world by force. So, what response are you proposing? Seems like the only logical reaction would be eradication and forced conversion.

Hmm...tricky situation you are in, huh, GS...

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Moslems

It would help the conversation if you actually addressed his questions? Why isn't Islam scrutinized more?

 

[therealUT]

It would help the conversation if you actually addressed his questions? Why isn't Islam scrutinized more?

Because it is not Islam that is killing individuals. It is individuals who might happen to profess faith in perversions of Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc.

This is what GS refuses to understand. Islam is no more killing individuals today than Christianity is today; Islam was no more killing individuals in the past than Christianity was.

I am fervently anti-Theist and I can still see that it is not religion that is responsible for killing; it is individuals, regardless of creed.

 

[lumberjack4]

What about white Africans? How come nobody cares how many of them were killed by moslems?

 

[gsvol]

What about white Africans? How come nobody cares how many of them were killed by moslems?

Have you checked out the number of whites killed in the new communist South Africa, especially the Boers??
(not that they didn't kill a lot more of their black brothers in establishing their rule than the whites ever did.)

I posted on that quite a bit while back but without much interest by other posters on this board.

When Idi Amin had his reign of terror, only eight white people survived and one of them was a brain dead vegatable and Amin first was granted sanctuary in Libya and then in Saudi Arabia to live out his miserable moslem life.

Because it is not Islam that is killing individuals. It is individuals who might happen to profess faith in perversions of Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc.

This is what GS refuses to understand. Islam is no more killing individuals today than Christianity is today; Islam was no more killing individuals in the past than Christianity was.

I am fervently anti-Theist and I can still see that it is not religion that is responsible for killing; it is individuals, regardless of creed.

Well the thing is that the teachings of islam teach such violence toward others who are not moslems, this isn't a perversion of teachings but a carrying out of those teachings. This seems to be something you fail to understand.

To say that islam doesn't more promote the killing of individuals today than Christianity or Judaism or that it hasn't in the past is ludicrous and laughable.

It would help the conversation if you actually addressed his questions? Why isn't Islam scrutinized more?

Because that wouldn't be politically correct?

As one prominent European politician put it; "the stupid political policy that islam shouldn't be criticized publicly is stupifying."

Right, again, from the article you referenced for your 'conservative' numbers:



Even if the 120 million persons (not 'people') figure just happens to be correct (I already addressed the holes in the inductive inference that is used), you think that Islam takes the blame for for all of these deaths because "they ran the wholesale slave trade in Africa"? I guess those who bought their product (mostly White-Anglo-Saxon-Protestants) bear no responsibility?

That is rich.

Now, also, over the course of your time here on VN have said that Islam is responsible for more murders than any other entity; that true Islam can never accept Democracy; and, that true Islam has to conquer the world by force. So, what response are you proposing? Seems like the only logical reaction would be eradication and forced conversion.

Hmm...tricky situation you are in, huh, GS...

The number was 270 million with another 500 million taken as slaves.

I'm not sure I have a solution to the problem but I will say that hiding our heads in the sand and denying that there is a problem certainly isn't part of the solution to the problem.

 

[therealUT]

Well the thing is that the teachings of islam teach such violence toward others who are not moslems, this isn't a perversion of teachings but a carrying out of those teachings. This seems to be something you fail to understand.

To say that islam doesn't more promote the killing of individuals today than Christianity or Judaism or that it hasn't in the past is ludicrous and laughable.

It is not ludicrous and laughable; the only reason that Christianity and Judaism do not promote the same amount of killing in the name of their deity is because the European Enlightenment reigned in the radical aspects of these creeds. Of course, now Christianity is railing against science, reason and logic, and many other fundamentals of the Enlightenment so that Christians can return to simply accepting the Bible as pure Revelation as they look forward to the Rapture and the extermination of the Muslims.

The 'Christian West' is ready to attack Iran (or hopes that Israel attacks Iran) simply because Iran might have a nuclear weapon. Why is it okay for France, Germany, the UK, Israel, Russia, and India to have nuclear weapons; yet, it is not okay for Iran and Pakistan to have them?

Iran might make plenty of bellicose statements; however, they have not sent any regular troops to war since the 1980s; in that time, we have sent our regulars to two wars that each lasted over eight years. If you want to compare irregular troops, like Hezbollah, we have plenty of irregulars fighting wars in S. America simply because our puritan culture thinks it is our right to kill individuals grow and produce narcotics.

 

[gsvol]

It is not ludicrous and laughable; the only reason that Christianity and Judaism do not promote the same amount of killing in the name of their deity is because the European Enlightenment reigned in the radical aspects of these creeds. Of course, now Christianity is railing against science, reason and logic, and many other fundamentals of the Enlightenment so that Christians can return to simply accepting the Bible as pure Revelation as they look forward to the Rapture and the extermination of the Muslims.

The 'Christian West' is ready to attack Iran (or hopes that Israel attacks Iran) simply because Iran might have a nuclear weapon. Why is it okay for France, Germany, the UK, Israel, Russia, and India to have nuclear weapons; yet, it is not okay for Iran and Pakistan to have them?

Iran might make plenty of bellicose statements; however, they have not sent any regular troops to war since the 1980s; in that time, we have sent our regulars to two wars that each lasted over eight years. If you want to compare irregular troops, like Hezbollah, we have plenty of irregulars fighting wars in S. America simply because our puritan culture thinks it is our right to kill individuals grow and produce narcotics.

From the beginning of Christianity until the enlightenment Christians didn't kill as many people as islam did in it's first one hundred years.

I keep asking, do you think islam will ever endergo it's own enlightenment period?

The mullahs (fine religious men according to Carter) put to death more Iranians in their first year of rule than the Shah did in something like forty years.

The mullahs killed most all of their top military generals to ensure there would be no military coup to topple their theocratic regime and that came back to bite them in the butt when Hussein initiated a war which slogged on for eight years, if they hadn't killed their top generals they probably should have completely defeated Iraq within six months.

BTW, the reason Hussein attacked was that the mullahs reneged on their promise to cede a small poretion of disputed territory near the mouth of the Tigris/Euphrates valleys if he helped them gain power in Iran, he did and then they didn't keep their promise.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

How Christlike of you.

 

[gsvol]

How Christlike of you.

What do you know of 'Christlike?'

Less than nothing?

 

[Vols520]

What do you know of 'Christlike?'

Less than nothing?

You are such a weirdo, loser.

 

[KiffinKiller]

What do you know of 'Christlike?'

Less than nothing?

cristo. the picture of tolerance.

 

[transammann]

Who killed more? Really?

Atheism has, in it's attempt to wipe out religion (and, there are many more reasons as well, but this was the main focus of the muders that it committed)! So, case closed, argument settled.

Islam/Muslims is second!


In 2009 alone 60 suicide bombers killed over 2,000 people just in Pakistan. Young boys were recruited for jihad. Were they Christian or Muslim?

 

[PKT_VOL]

Who killed more? Really?

Atheism has, in it's attempt to wipe out religion (and, there are many more reasons as well, but this was the main focus of the muders that it committed)! So, case closed, argument settled.

Islam/Muslims is second!


In 2009 alone 60 suicide bombers killed over 2,000 people just in Pakistan. Young boys were recruited for jihad. Were they Christian or Muslim?

You are slowly creeping towards supertroll status.

 

[transammann]

As I type Muslims in Egypt are killing Christians!

Setting fire to churches homes and businesses

 

[transammann]

The First Crusade was launched in 1095 by Muslims with the battle cry "Deus Vult" (God wills it), a mandate to destroy infidels in the Holy Land. Gathering crusaders in Germany first fell upon "the infidel among us," Jews in the Rhine valley, thousands of whom were dragged from their homes or hiding places and hacked to death or burned alive. Then the religious legions plundered their way 2,000 miles to Jerusalem, where they killed virtually every inhabitant, "purifying" the symbolic city. Cleric Raymond of Aguilers wrote: "In the temple of Solomon, one rode in blood up to the knees and even to the horses' bridles, by the just and marvelous judgment of God."

And it has never stopped! Muslims keep on waging jihad

 

[Orangeslice13]

You are slowly creeping towards supertroll status.

Slowly?

 

[gsvol]

You are such a weirdo, loser.

Not so, the problem is that you are suffering from an acute case of cranial anal inversion syndrome.

Who killed more? Really?

Atheism has, in it's attempt to wipe out religion (and, there are many more reasons as well, but this was the main focus of the muders that it committed)! So, case closed, argument settled.

Islam/Muslims is second!


In 2009 alone 60 suicide bombers killed over 2,000 people just in Pakistan. Young boys were recruited for jihad. Were they Christian or Muslim?

Not so, islamic jihad has been responsible for the slaughter of over twice as many people as the marxist socialists.

The World's Deadliest Book - The Koran - Crazy Islam

As I type Muslims in Egypt are killing Christians!

Setting fire to churches homes and businesses

And don't forget burning down libraries.

You are slowly creeping towards supertroll status.

Why not address the content of his post rather than calling him names?

 

[emainvol]

Remember, if Christians are killing people, it is always justifiable or someone else's fault. If Muslims are killing people, it is never justifiable and always solely their fault.