To those saying Jones is Dooley 2.0

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Volingatorland

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I have a little truth for you, and it's pure fact:

Derek Dooley

Louisiana Tech
2007 5-7 (4-4) t-4th
2008 8-5 (5-3) t-2nd (Independence Bowl - W)
2009 4-8 (3-5) t-5th

Tennessee
2010 6-7 (3-5) t-3rd(east) (Music City Bowl - L)
2011 5-7 (1-7) 6th(east)
2012 4-7 (0-7) 6th(east)*

*did not coach 12th game

Butch Jones

Central Michigan
2007 8-6 (6-1) 1st(west) (Motor City Bowl - L)
2008 8-5 (6-2) t-2nd(west) (Motor City Bowl - L)
2009 11-2 (8-0) 1st(west) (GMAC Bowl, did not coach)

Cincinnati

2010 4-8 (2-5) 7th
2011 10-3 (5-2) t-1st (Liberty Bowl - W)
2012 9-3 (5-2) t-1st (Belk Bowl, will not coach)


The simple fact of the matter is that in 6 years of coaching, Derek Dooley had only 1 winning season, while in the same time, Butch Jones only had 1 losing season. Additionally, Jones has done twice something that Dooley has never done, and that's finish a season ranked in the AP top 25 (25th in 2009 at CMU and 25th in 2011 at Cincy). These are schools that shouldn't be in the top 25. Ever.

Keep in mind, Jones did this with MAC and Big East schools, schools that by no means attract the caliber of players that UT does. When you give Jones the talent that UT does have the ability to pull, the sky is the limit. For the fans, no, this wasn't a home run. For the program, and I'm quite confident in saying this, it was a freaking Grand Slam. Jones builds a rapport with his players that is simply unmatched. There's no question that the man can coach a football team. I have every confidence in saying that he will be around UT for a long long time, and one day, we'll all be telling our grandkids about the legacy of Coach Jones.
 
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Anyone who compares the two needs to have their head checked. Jones has a winning record at a relevant school and most importantly I don't have to Wikipedia or google his name to know who the hell he is for starters.
 
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There are some of us who express concerns over this hire and staff being put together within 48 hrs. I think cautiously optimistic and wait and see approach is the best way to be right now especially after only 24 hrs after a surprise coach is announced who wasn't even considered from day 1 of the search process.
 
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So wait, he had a winning record?!?!?!?!?!


We didn't already know that, thanks
 
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Are you saying Coach Butch Jones won't act like this?

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You can nip it in the bud boys. Surely you're not David Climer's children. Dooley put all the blame on the assistants. It was like a revolving door with him. Flashback moment: Kentucky beats Tennessee with wide receiver at quarterback. Assistants fault. What?Should have been let him go then. He rightly got no respect from players nor coaches. He thinks he knows it all. Lawyer in him I guess. Coach Jones has a rapport with his assitants and brings his assistants to Tennessee. Seems like the kinda guy you want to work for. My mom liked Dooey though. He was good looking and a good dresser. You know my bulldogs name is Butch. Good boy too. How many dogs do you know that are named Derek. Huh? David Climer is a joke. Pitiful people suck. Time to sit back and enjoy winning a few SEC games again gentlemen. How many days to kickoff.
 
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Time to shed the Dooley hangover. CBJ has a winning record which can't be said of the last two coaches. He has far more enthusiasm and charisma than the last two. There is no reason to doubt the guy at this point. He's a winning coach until his record proves otherwise. GBO
 
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ARVOL123 said:
Time to shed the Dooley hangover. CBJ has a winning record which can't be said of the last two coaches. He has far more enthusiasm and charisma than the last two. There is no reason to doubt the guy at this point. He's a winning coach until his record proves otherwise. GBO
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You've been a member for 6 years and that was your first post?

:hi:
 
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I might as well say it again, we upgraded the head coaching position, and I don't think that's even in question. The question is whether or not it will be enough to get us back to where we want to be.

I've gone on record as saying I like this hire, but I can certainly understand the skepticism.
 
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I like how he openly says his mission is to win a national championship. It's much more promising than kiffin "be patient Tennessee we're gonna sing and beat Florida" and Dooley "aw shucks I guess we are gonna try to trudge thru the bamboo, duck out on Normandy, learn how to shower then win a few games. Did I mention that my sons name is Peyton????"
 
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Volingatorland said:
I have a little truth for you, and it's pure fact:

Derek Dooley

Louisiana Tech
2007 5-7 (4-4) t-4th
2008 8-5 (5-3) t-2nd (Independence Bowl - W)
2009 4-8 (3-5) t-5th

Tennessee
2010 6-7 (3-5) t-3rd(east) (Music City Bowl - L)
2011 5-7 (1-7) 6th(east)
2012 4-7 (0-7) 6th(east)*

*did not coach 12th game

Butch Jones

Central Michigan
2007 8-6 (6-1) 1st(west) (Motor City Bowl - L)
2008 8-5 (6-2) t-2nd(west) (Motor City Bowl - L)
2009 11-2 (8-0) 1st(west) (GMAC Bowl, did not coach)

Cincinnati

2010 4-8 (2-5) 7th
2011 10-3 (5-2) t-1st (Liberty Bowl - W)
2012 9-3 (5-2) t-1st (Belk Bowl, will not coach)


The simple fact of the matter is that in 6 years of coaching, Derek Dooley had only 1 winning season, while in the same time, Butch Jones only had 1 losing season. Additionally, Jones has done twice something that Dooley has never done, and that's finish a season ranked in the AP top 25 (25th in 2009 at CMU and 25th in 2011 at Cincy). These are schools that shouldn't be in the top 25. Ever.

Keep in mind, Jones did this with MAC and Big East schools, schools that by no means attract the caliber of players that UT does. When you give Jones the talent that UT does have the ability to pull, the sky is the limit. For the fans, no, this wasn't a home run. For the program, and I'm quite confident in saying this, it was a freaking Grand Slam. Jones builds a rapport with his players that is simply unmatched. There's no question that the man can coach a football team. I have every confidence in saying that he will be around UT for a long long time, and one day, we'll all be telling our grandkids about the legacy of Coach Jones.
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Quality post. Dooley was described as an up-and-comer... the problem is that his record did not warrant that designation. BJ on the other hand is loaded with potential, and I believe he's very likely a true up and comer. But I remain cautiously optimistic... he hasn't done a thing in the SEC yet. I'm looking forward to seeing his progress
 
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Is it football season yet?

When the coaching decision was announced it didn't make me jump up and down...but I see that it's a good hire. If the trend continues with CBJ's success he'll be a very good coach here at UT
 
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Insunseri said:
Quality post. Dooley was described as an up-and-comer... the problem is that his record did not warrant that designation. BJ on the other hand is loaded with potential, and I believe he's very likely a true up and comer. But I remain cautiously optimistic... he hasn't done a thing in the SEC yet. I'm looking forward to seeing his progress
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You know, I'm torn. I liked Dooley, I really did. I think he inherited a horrible situation, and started getting things back on track and was torpedoed by the worst defensive coordinator hire in history. I'm hoping Jones is a better version of Dooley minus the horrible, horrible, scientifically proven, bad luck.
 
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Thunndarr said:
You know, I'm torn. I liked Dooley, I really did. I think he inherited a horrible situation, and started getting things back on track and was torpedoed by the worst defensive coordinator hire in history. I'm hoping Jones is a better version of Dooley minus the horrible, horrible, scientifically proven, bad luck.
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I can promise you he's a better coach, however I can't presume to know how he will fare here at UT in the SEC, especially with alot of our top talent leaving. Heck we don't even know all his staff picks yet. But, he has the resume of a true up-and-comer imo
 
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Insunseri said:
I can promise you he's a better coach, however I can't presume to know how he will fare here at UT in the SEC, especially with alot of our top talent leaving. Heck we don't even know all his staff picks yet. But, he has the resume of a true up-and-comer imo
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I agree. I like his resume and his demeanor more than Dooley.
 
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bUTch looks and acts like a football coach. Dooley looks and acts like an upstanding accountant in a southern city.
 
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orangepridenation said:
You've been a member for 6 years and that was your first post?

:hi:
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Laughed out loud. ARVOL is serious about giving Butch a chance. Gave up his vow of silence/oath to not post for 6 years. And I agree with it.
I feel better and better about CBJ bringing the Vols back!Can't wait till next year! Let's win one we're not supposed to and compete in the east.
GBO !!!!! Go Vols !!!!!!!
 
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BleedinOrangeinPA said:
Laughed out loud. ARVOL is serious about giving Butch a chance. Gave up his vow of silence/oath to not post for 6 years. And I agree with it.
I feel better and better about CBJ bringing the Vols back!Can't wait till next year! Let's win one we're not supposed to and compete in the east.
GBO !!!!! Go Vols !!!!!!!
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Gotta start some time. Now I've doubled my input with this post. It was hard to remain silent during the Dooley debacle and the Kiffin curse. Always easier to jump on the bandwagon and point out the negatives but why feed the trolls on anymous boards? Now it's time for Butch to get staffed and we'll see what kind of recruiting class he can pull in. Yes when we win one that we're not expected to, we'll have something to build on. It's been too long but there are brighter days ahead.
 
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Yea, BJ is a big time winner.

This is winning conference co-championships in the Big East:

Sagarin Ratings
2011
RATING W L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 10 | VS top 30
30 Cincinnati 10 3 68.43( 73) 0 0 | 0 1

2012
RATING W L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 10 | VS top 30
45 Cincinnati 63.85( 99) 0 0 | 0 0
 
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