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OHvol40

OHvol40

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at the notion that Dooley was the only coach who would take the job 3 years ago. I present exhibit B: Our current coaching search.
 
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Gruden isn't coming and this has turned into a cluster...it's a total and complete embarrassment. Hart has to be blamed - not because he couldn't land Gruden (you can't make somebody come that doesn't want to), but because he had no plan B.
 
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mcompton said:
Gruden isn't coming and this has turned into a cluster...it's a total and complete embarrassment. Hart has to be blamed - not because he couldn't land Gruden (you can't make somebody come that doesn't want to), but because he had no plan B.
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Maybe this is plan B time...I refuse to toss Hart under the bus until the hire is done.
 
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Dekram said:
Maybe this is plan B time...I refuse to toss Hart under the bus until the hire is done.
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A third tier coach is Plan "B"? It's unthinkable that enough planning wasn't put into this to avoid the emabarassment we've become...
 
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No i think most people think this is a better job than it is. Your not going to get a top teir coach to come in. It needs to be someone young and hungry.
 
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How in gods name did history repeat itself with this? And I'm saying it would be embarrassing if we had another dDooley type search twenty coaching hires from now but no we had it the VERY NEXT one. I don't know what else to say. It must be an ego thing bc this is ridiculous. My first day as AD after Hammy would be me sitting in my office and saying well I know one thing I can't have the same coaching search as we did that last time.
 
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We should have started with Strong--he was in a lot of ways the most logical choice--and talked to him quietly and tried to close the deal. Gruden, Fedora, Gundy, Fisher--all a stupid waste of time. We didn't really pursue Fedora or Fisher, but they weren't even worth a call, IMO. You do want a proven winner who wants to take a step up--but you need to have done a lot of research ahead of time because there are a lot of promising "comers" around the country. Pelini is another guy who perhaps could have been contacted quietly early on, though maybe another long shot. For all the talk of lack of information, we've been too public.
 
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Haven't seen your name come up much in this sh!tstorm, but I recall you saying over and over the last three years that if we had just offered to pay any of these big time coaches last go round we could have had any number of them. So now that your wet dream has come true, where are they all lining up to sign?
 
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I throw Hart under the bus because he did not plan accordingly. And the same thing happend!! I do not care if national signing day is coming up, which is the pretense for "get a coach, anyone, nownownownow".

Go to the College of Business, get an accounting professor, slash you football budget to make room to pay for the correct coach and staffing.

I remember my drill sergeant telling us "keep it simple stupid".
 
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It's looking more and more like we are up sh£t creek without a paddle, boys. I just hope we land someone by Friday. If not... There's always basketball I guess.
 
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Well it sure isn't helping us that Hart decided to start the search with coaches that should've been Plan B candidates in the first place. So now that all of them have turned us down we look like a complete joke and the entire world is under the assumption that we can only go after even worse coaches now.
Hart screwed this whole thing up REALY REALLY bad and now he either comes with a sure shot homerun hire or he can pack his bags and head back to Bama waiving his "Mission Accomplished" banner.
 
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Dekram said:
No i think most people think this is a better job than it is. Your not going to get a top teir coach to come in. It needs to be someone young and hungry.
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This, we have above average facilities, a below average Athletic Department/Academic relationship, below average numbers of good instate talent, and a fan base that is as fickle as they come. Our stadium is so big that when we put 85k in it which would be a good crowd most places it looks empty. This job is probably the MOST challenging coaching position in the SEC. No other school has the difficulties and the high expectations that we do here. I would be surprised if we get ANY legitimate D1 coach to come here. If they are considered "top shelf" right now, they are comfortable where they are and like Strong, will simply use us to get a big raise. I quite honestly DO NOT know who we will get that will have the fan base behind them next year. Hart screwed up early on by even allowing the Gruden rumor to get legs. Even if he was talking to him, Hart should have come out and said we aren't interested in pursuing him. At least quieted the expectations to where a "good" coach that comes in would have some support. As it is now, a "good" coach is considered 3rd tier. We are where we were when Spliffin left. We need to back up, take a year, find a good solid coach and then have him in the wings at the end of next season.
 
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Ashevillevol said:
Haven't seen your name come up much in this sh!tstorm, but I recall you saying over and over the last three years that if we had just offered to pay any of these big time coaches last go round we could have had any number of them. So now that your wet dream has come true, where are they all lining up to sign?
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What "big time" coahces have we gone after??? None that I've seen. We went straight for plan b level coaches and now that its been made VERY public that they have turned us down what true "bigtime" coach would want to take the job knowing they were considered worse than the true 2nd tier coahces by our AD.
Hart screwed this whole thing up because of his ego. THIS is why smart ADs hire a search firm, so the rejections are to them not to the AD in a very public fashion. They would also have evaluated ALL the coaches interest, including MANY Hart hasn't even given a thought.
 
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OHvol40 said:
at the notion that Dooley was the only coach who would take the job 3 years ago. I present exhibit B: Our current coaching search.
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There are plenty of small school coaches and/or big school coordinators that were more qualified then Dooley that would have taken the job in a heartbeat had we offered.

Just because we were turned down by the coach that was 1 or 2 on our list doesn't mean nobody will take the job. Another worthless thread
 
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Whoever we get will have a more impressive resume than DD. This will be nothing like that. DD was never a DC/OC and had one winning season. There are tons of coaches more qualified. We will get one.
 
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OHvol40 said:
at the notion that Dooley was the only coach who would take the job 3 years ago. I present exhibit B: Our current coaching search.
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Which was and still is a laughable notion, because Kevin Sumlin was ready and willing to come here. How's he doing now?
 
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GLDunlap said:
There are plenty of small school coaches and/or big school coordinators that were more qualified then Dooley that would have taken the job in a heartbeat had we offered.

Just because we were turned down by the coach that was 1 or 2 on our list doesn't mean nobody will take the job. Another worthless thread
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Clueless.

Football-wise, this job is better than it was 3 years ago. Yet we are publicly getting turned down now just like we did then.
 
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VKAman said:
Which was and still is a laughable notion, because Kevin Sumlin was ready and willing to come here. How's he doing now?
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Lets go back... If you could show me that you were a proponent of UT hiring Sumlin, or that you even knew who he was 3 years ago, then you have an argument. If not, then your retort just falls under the category of "hindsight is 20/20".
 
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We certainly could have done better than Dooley last time, but the facts are, it is not a job everyone is lining up for. It wasn't 3 years ago, and its not today. It is a very tough job and we are seeing just how hard it is to get a top notch coach here.

It has nothing to do with the money we are offering, it is simply they don't want to come here. Great facilities and tradition only go so far. The toughest conference in the country and little in state talent.
 
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GLDunlap said:
There are plenty of small school coaches and/or big school coordinators that were more qualified then Dooley that would have taken the job in a heartbeat had we offered.

Just because we were turned down by the coach that was 1 or 2 on our list doesn't mean nobody will take the job. Another worthless thread
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And yet you not only opened it and read it...you posted to it. Well played sir. I bet you wait until you've finished your plate before you complain to the waitress how bad it was...
 
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OHvol40 said:
Lets go back... If you could show me that you were a proponent of UT hiring Sumlin, or that you even knew who he was 3 years ago, then you have an argument. If not, then your retort just falls under the category of "hindsight is 20/20".
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Look for yourself. Everyone except for some of the most blind idiots in our fanbase (most of whom post here) could see that Dooley was a career loser. We didn't make "the best hire we could because we were such a bad job and we were lucky to get him." That line of thinking was total BS. The sad part is, I was in the VN minority when I said that.
 
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VKAman said:
Look for yourself. Everyone except for some of the most blind idiots in our fanbase (most of whom post here) could see that Dooley was a career loser. We didn't make "the best hire we could because we were such a bad job and we were lucky to get him." That line of thinking was total BS. The sad part is, I was in the VN minority when I said that.
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The point the OP is making is there weren't big name coaches lining up to take the job last time, and they aren't lined up this time.

When Dooley was announced, no one knew who he was. After seeing his record, we all had our doubts but soon rallied behind him -- until he began to lose.

Sumlin would have been a much better hire, but there weren't any top notch coaching candidates then and there aren't any now.
 
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