To those who think Malik can't contribute...

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There are 3 players right now in the NFL who went to DB.

Coty Sensabaugh was a 2 star out of high school. Went to Clemson, his best offer. He was solid for Clemson and was just drafted by the Titans. Had he got an offer and came to tennessee he would have started for us.

Gerald Sensabaugh was also a 2 star coming out and has been the Dallas Cowboys starting SS for the last few years. This guy was going to play at ETSU until they decided to axe the football program which led to him going to UNC.

Daniel Kilgore was an o-lineman at DB, only rated 2 stars again. Listen to this offer sheet - Jacksonville State and TN Tech. Guess what? He is now starting for the 49ers.


This just goes to show that players from around here ARE rated lower because of where they play and the competition they are against, however, they can play.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
There are 3 players right now in the NFL who went to DB.

Coty Sensabaugh was a 2 star out of high school. Went to Clemson, his best offer. He was solid for Clemson and was just drafted by the Titans.

Gerald Sensabaugh was also a 2 star coming out and has been the Dallas Cowboys starting SS for the last few years. This guy was going to play at ETSU until they decided to axe the football program which led to him going to UNC.

Daniel Kilgore was an o-lineman at DB, only rated 2 stars again. Listen to this offer sheet - Jacksonville State and TN Tech. Guess what? He is now starting for the 49ers.


This just goes to show that players from around here ARE rated lower because of where they play and the competition they are against, however, they can play.
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Good Post...How many times in the past..especially when they kicked our butts was Nebraska ranked in top ten recruiting,and mostly players from that state...
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
There are 3 players right now in the NFL who went to DB.

Coty Sensabaugh was a 2 star out of high school. Went to Clemson, his best offer. He was solid for Clemson and was just drafted by the Titans.

Gerald Sensabaugh was also a 2 star coming out and has been the Dallas Cowboys starting SS for the last few years. This guy was going to play at ETSU until they decided to axe the football program which led to him going to UNC.

Daniel Kilgore was an o-lineman at DB, only rated 2 stars again. Listen to this offer sheet - Jacksonville State and TN Tech. Guess what? He is now starting for the 49ers.


This just goes to show that players from around here ARE rated lower because of where they play and the competition they are against, however, they can play.
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I'm convinced, so I'll take some shares of what you're selling.
 
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Thats so true.In my little area alone there have been 3 or 4 nfl players alone.I call it the bemuda triangle.(south pitt.Marion co.and north jackson.)For the life of me I cant figure out how that one little area produces players like it does.We should recruit this area hard even though they are small schools.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
There are 3 players right now in the NFL who went to DB.

Coty Sensabaugh was a 2 star out of high school. Went to Clemson, his best offer. He was solid for Clemson and was just drafted by the Titans.

Gerald Sensabaugh was also a 2 star coming out and has been the Dallas Cowboys starting SS for the last few years. This guy was going to play at ETSU until they decided to axe the football program which led to him going to UNC.

Daniel Kilgore was an o-lineman at DB, only rated 2 stars again. Listen to this offer sheet - Jacksonville State and TN Tech. Guess what? He is now starting for the 49ers.


This just goes to show that players from around here ARE rated lower because of where they play and the competition they are against, however, they can play.
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I'm a DB grad and very proud of all those guys, but what 3 different individuals did has little or no bearing on what another different individual from the same school may do in the future. How many other players tried to play college ball somewhere and either didn't pan out in college or didn't make it to the NFL? That said, I do think MF has the potential to do well at UT, and DS may be a pleasant surprise too, who knows. BTW, GS did go to ETSU and did play football for 3 years until the program was cancelled, when he transferred to UNC for his last year. And DK does not start for SF; he is a reserve OG.
 
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Whoever thinks they know a kid will or will not contribute, before they step for on campus, needs to have their freakin' head examined.
 
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And in Clarksville we have Harry Galbreath and Travis Stephens. Soon to be JRM. In Basketball we had the matrix S. Marion and T. Hassel in NBA recently. If one looks hard enough and does work, talent can be found in TN.
 
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CourtJester said:
I'm a DB grad and very proud of all those guys, but what 3 different individuals did has little or no bearing on what another different individual from the same school may do in the future. How many other players tried to play college ball somewhere and either didn't pan out in college or didn't make it to the NFL? That said, I do think MF has the potential to do well at UT, and DS may be a pleasant surprise too, who knows. BTW, GS did go to ETSU and did play football for 3 years until the program was cancelled, when he transferred to UNC for his last year. And DK does not start for SF; he is a reserve OG.
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His point was not that Malik will do well because those guys did. He was pointing out that the big three recruiting services pay very little attention to that area because of the lack of respect they have for the competition level. Players from that area are naturally going to be overlooked because they get so little coverage, and if they do excel services tend to write it off as doing what they should against weak competition. Great post OP.
 
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Hopefully everyone is smart enough to know if a coaching staff offers a player, the fact is, they feel that the player can contribute in some way. Anyone that says that he can't is a moron. You are not a better evaluator of football talent than a collegiate coaching staff.
 
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I really don't care about how much a freshman can contribute for me this year. I care about if he is learning my system, and if he can be productive during his upper class years. Montario Hardesty, Jayson Swain, and a lot of offensive lineman prove that. We need to just make sure that we have a goal in mind of where we want our recruits to be down the road.
 
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Post/thread of the day award goes to the OP!

If there is anything VN can do to help the football program it is this. Wake the **** up the masses of our fan base that top Tennessee boys are equal to the rest of the nation. They tend to be orange blooded and they give their all to Tennessee day in and day out. A roster filled with 40-50 of the best Tennessee boys would bring the program to the top tier in a hurry. Check the roster history of the program versus success and failure in the W/L column before starting any disagreement. I assure you CBJ knows it and that is why you will see a very positive change in recruiting strategy; as compared to Fulmer's later years, Kiffin, and the 'no strategy' of Dools.

Let UT, the coaching staff and the fan base hear it loud and clear.
 
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AlexHay13 said:
His point was not that Malik will do well because those guys did. He was pointing out that the big three recruiting services pay very little attention to that area because of the lack of respect they have for the competition level. Players from that area are naturally going to be overlooked because they get so little coverage, and if they do excel services tend to write it off as doing what they should against weak competition. Great post OP.
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It's the same point. Saying that players from that area (or in this case one school) are usually overlooked and using 3 examples of players who weren't highly rated but who made it to the NFL to support an argument that Malik will do well (because he too was overlooked) amounts to the same thing as saying "he will do well because those guys did." Even if the general point about players from the area being overlooked is true (and I think we'd need a lot more data to evaluate that), it doesn't mean a particular individual from that area is going to do great things in college, much less the NFL. It still comes down to the individual player in question.
 
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we don't know what a player will be until they actually play.

however, give me a player with an offer list of alabama, georgia, and florida state over a kid with an offer list of furman and wofford any day of the week and twice on sunday.
 
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Thing is there are several players in the NFL from northeast tn and southwest va. The two sensabaughs, aubrayo Franklin-science hill, Jason witten-elizabethton from ne tn. Thomas and Julian jones- big stone gap, Ahmad Bradshaw - bluefield and Heath miller richlands va. All in close proximity or in tri-cities.
 
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The stark truth is that no one knows whether any particular recruit will be good/great players. The odds are a bit better that a 5 star recruit will be a stud, but there are plenty of 3 star players that also fit that category.
 
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Basically my point was if Malik was playing in Texas, Georgia, Florida etc he would be a 4 star minimum. Now you could argue that his numbers wouldn't be as good. The guys I listed are all 2 stars, Malik is very very close to being a 4 star. I'm not arguing that we should stop recruiting 5 stars an shoot for 2 stars I'm simply pointing out that talent around this area gets overlooked by a lot of so called smart people.
 
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It doesnt matter want you want and what you have are two different things at this point..

CBJ came into a situation after a lame duck coach ..a guy that most knew was going to be fired for a few months. There was little or no recruiting groundwork laid ..he is starting from ground zero very late into recruiting season.

He has obtained an academic qualifier with sub 4.4 speed. He could hold out for a 5* ...fail...and end up filling the spot with a walk-on. Or he could sign this kid and still have a chance at at a 4 or 5 * kid later in the process.

Given that this situation is VERY different than what Kiffen or Dooley inherited ...where a certain amount of groundwork was laid ...I will take the speed and the grades at this point and hope for a strong NSD effort. If he shows good progress next season , recruiting will be back online in 2014
 
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I think the gist of the thread is about our in-state players being just as good as the higher ranked out of state players. Since the evolution of the internet, I have looked at rosters for other sec schools over the years and a lot of our so called lower rank state players turn up on their rosters! I went to Unicoi County HS and Johnny Majors recruited one of our players. I went to the Notre Dame game where Hubert Simpson ran over the fighting Irish and the guy had an interception in the game:good!:. I bet that guy wouldn't even be ranked by a recruiting service and he wouldn't probably have a great list of schools looking at him.
 
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After watching both their highlights on hudl, I think we just got two steals. These guys are not just solid - they're playmakers.

Apparently, what got Vandy's attention in the first place was that they had a scout at the Science Hill vs DB game. The scout saw Malik play and immediately got on the phone with Franklin and said we need to get this kid immediately. TIFIW but I believe team scouts are a heckuva lot better at evaluating talent than those who work for scouting services and are trying to evaluate hundreds of kids at once often via just highlight reels.
 
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Great thread. 2 whole pages without a typical ff jerk off coming in and pissing everyone off.
 
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I just hope Malik learns soon not to read Volnation. Posters will pronounce you as an NFL first rounder and will say you will never see the field. If you skip a class, it will be posted here by one of your classmates. If you leave a bad tip at a restaurant, everyone will read about it here. If you make a generous gesture to a Vol fan, the volnation will know. Everyone will have their opinion about you and they will all feel free to share them, good or bad. So, my advice to you us to stay away from this board. Same to all the other UT commits. You don't want to know everyone's opinion.
 
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CourtJester said:
I'm a DB grad and very proud of all those guys
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I graduated from DB as well. Smoked many a cig (as well as a few doobs) on top of the Little Theater.

lol coach Clark hated me. I returned the favor. Course, he wasn't head coach back then. It was that goober from Maryville who replaced coach Walton, I forget his name.

But I played for DB, but wasn't ever very good, though I did start a few games my Junior year (didn't play my senior year).
 
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