Tubby safe?

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cotton said:
I'm not really sure what this means, but it is certainly more positive that Mitch's previous comments.

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From what I've read on KY's message boards, Mitch wanted Tubby to replace his assistants last year, which he did not. Given the tenor of today's comments, I would think that Mitch said "it's you or your assistants, we have the money to buy you out", and Tubby relinquished. I think his assistants are gone and that's bought him another year.

They're going to have to step up their recruiting though, or they're doomed. Given Tubby's lack of charisma, they will need to find somebody like Tony Jones to help in that department.

Speaking of Tony Jones - Tennessee needs to lock him up!
 
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HotlantaVol said:
From what I've read on KY's message boards, Mitch wanted Tubby to replace his assistants last year, which he did not. Given the tenor of today's comments, I would think that Mitch said "it's you or your assistants, we have the money to buy you out", and Tubby relinquished. I think his assistants are gone and that's bought him another year.

They're going to have to step up their recruiting though, or their doomed. Given Tubby's lack of charisma, they will need to find somebody like Tony Jones to help in that department.

Speaking of Tony Jones - Tennessee needs to lock him up!
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From what I know of Tubby he is a total control kind of coach. He is certainly not full of charm, but what some call a lack of charisma, I call an uwillingness to kiss the a$$ of these young recruits.

I have been in Lexington for 15 years. Like Hat and others I have more realistic views of how hard Tubby will be to replace. On the other hand, I deal with Lexingtonians daily, and they have given up on this program COMPLETELY. Once that happens in the fan base the situation approaches a "non-repair" status. It will be interesting to see what happens. It makes me thankful for CBP.
 
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Lexvol said:
From what I know of Tubby he is a total control kind of coach. He is certainly not full of charm, but what some call a lack of charisma, I call an uwillingness to kiss the a$$ of these young recruits.

I have been in Lexington for 15 years. Like Hat and others I have more realistic views of how hard Tubby will be to replace. On the other hand, I deal with Lexingtonians daily, and they have given up on this program COMPLETELY. Once that happens in the fan base the situation approaches a "non-repair" status. It will be interesting to see what happens. It makes me thankful for CBP.
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Lex, does KY fans' reaction and perception of Tubby in any way shape or form remind you of how some of us as TN fans feel about Fulmer?

to me, i think they mirror each other in regards to expectation level, actual accomplishment and program direction based on tradition....i'm not saying SMith and FUlmer and the same kind of coach, cause they aren't, but the fans' reaction to the HC.......what do you think?
 
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I don't think he has any problem getting recruits in line - he has a problem getting them at all.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I don't think he has any problem getting recruits in line - he has a problem getting them at all.
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that's always been the knock on him...i don't think anyone with a half a brain actually thinks he's a bad coach per sey...but that the talent level isn't where it should be for KY to realistically compete for final fours etc...

which would be the difference imo between CPF and CTS...tubby probably gets more out of less where CPF gets less out of more, never the less, both fan bases are growing restless...
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I don't think he has any problem getting recruits in line - he has a problem getting them at all.
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Bingo! Bruce is an excellent recruiter, complemented directly by the efforts of Tony Jones. For Tubby to compete with the recruiting efforts of others in the SEC, he at least needs to get an assistant that can "kiss the @$$" of young recruits. However, given the style of ball KY plays, it will still be a challenge for anyone.
 
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jakez4ut said:
Lex, does KY fans' reaction and perception of Tubby in any way shape or form remind you of how some of us as TN fans feel about Fulmer?

to me, i think they mirror each other in regards to expectation level, actual accomplishment and program direction based on tradition....i'm not saying SMith and FUlmer and the same kind of coach, cause they aren't, but the fans' reaction to the HC.......what do you think?
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I am not in Knoxville, and to a large degree my contacts are so connected to the program that they offer criticism, but will put a positive spin on just about anything that happens in Knoxville.

The expectation levels are high in both places, but they are actually a little more realistic in Knoxville. UT fans want SEC titles. UK fans expect them every year...for good reason. I think they have 39 or 40 of them. Realistically with 7 NC's the Kentucky basketball team has a higher championship pedigree than UT's football team.

The programs certainly have mirrored one another recently. Since the NC's neither team has really had a full cupboard. Both have missed the necessary ingredients to put championship teams together. Last year UT was missing offensive and defensive lineman, while the UK basketball team finds itself without a great guard or forward.

This will sound inflammatory, but it is a completely honest evaluation. Tubby has much more respect among his peers than CPF does. That is one thing that will make him much harder to replace than CPF.

Both fan bases have a valid complaint about the style of play that each team adopts. Defense first and offense if your lucky. Tubbyball and Fulmerball are both unwatchable at times.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I don't think he has any problem getting recruits in line - he has a problem getting them at all.
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Morris, Crawford, Bradley and Rondo was the highest ranked class in the nation. That was the year Tubby passed on Chris Lofton. :dance2:
 
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Lexvol said:
Morris, Crawford, Bradley and Rondo was the highest ranked class in the nation. That was the year Tubby passed on Chris Lofton. :dance2:
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good point, but passing on Lofton was the gaffe, given the dominance of the 3 in college ball.

That class aside, the recruiting has been suspect for a school of Kentucky's caliber.
 
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Lexvol said:
Morris, Crawford, Bradley and Rondo was the highest ranked class in the nation.
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I remind the Cat faithful of that fact every time I hear them knock Tubby as a recruiter; that class was excellent, and it is hard to knock their development when at least two and maybe three will be NBA bound. Also, without disrespecting any of our guys, Meeks may be the best young player in the league this year, and Jasper and Stevenson have both shown flashes. Tubby has recruited well for the past 3 classes.

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good point, but passing on Lofton was the gaffe, given the dominance of the 3 in college ball.
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I consider it a gift more than a gaffe. Given a similar situation, would you choose a top 50 player in the nation or an undersized sharpshooter whose next best offer is from a school in the MEAC? As a non-Cat fan, it is hard to blame Tubby for that decision, although I do rub it in every chance I get. The people at my club think Lofton's name is "that guy Kentucky didn't want" because I have reminded them of that fact every time he hits a three.
 
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cotton said:
I remind the Cat faithful of that fact every time I hear them knock Tubby as a recruiter; that class was excellent, and it is hard to knock their development when at least two and maybe three will be NBA bound. Also, without disrespecting any of our guys, Meeks may be the best young player in the league this year, and Jasper and Stevenson have both shown flashes. Tubby has recruited well for the past 3 classes.



I consider it a gift more than a gaffe. Given a similar situation, would you choose a top 50 player in the nation or an undersized sharpshooter whose next best offer is from a school in the MEAC? As a non-Cat fan, it is hard to blame Tubby for that decision, although I do rub it in every chance I get. The people at my club think Lofton's name is "that guy Kentucky didn't want" because I have reminded them of that fact every time he hits a three.
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I think that Josh Carrier soured Tubby on the "in state" sharpshooter.
 
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If passing on Chris Lofton was a mistake, it was one made by every major program in the region. Huggs and Pitino are among those who also took a pass. It's not like Tubby was alone in his assessment.
 
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I also agree. Of course, that's not stopping ESPN from constantly talking about it whenever UT plays UK. :eek:lol:
 
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ukvols said:
I also agree. Of course, that's not stopping ESPN from constantly talking about it whenever UT plays UK. :eek:lol:
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Or even when UT plays anyone else ... Do you remember how Vitale kept blabbing on and on about how could Tubby let Lofton leave Kentucky? That was during the UT-Florida game.
 
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hatvol96 said:
If passing on Chris Lofton was a mistake, it was one made by every major program in the region. Huggs and Pitino are among those who also took a pass. It's not like Tubby was alone in his assessment.
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I'd say they all made a mistake, which is easy for me to say given that I have history on my side. I would have made their choice back then as well. However, the 3 has become so dominant and coaches so adept at using it, that the passing over of shooters of his caliber is no longer an option, lest teams end up like this year's Alabama and LSU squads.
 
#19
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Tubby's safe. The assistants, however, better start polishing up their tarnished resumés.

I don't fault Tubby on his recruiting. I fault him on his inability to keep and develop recruits into primetime players. Truth to be told, the assistants do the majority of the recruiting, and player development. Something tells me that Tubby will be a little more hands-on, especially if his hand is forced to fire his assistants and re-fill all those positions.
 
#20
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I love what Tubby's brewing in Lexington lately..if they don't get Lucas or Patterson, it's gonna get real interesting on Planet CatsPause ..:birgits_giggle:
 
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Lexvol said:
I am not in Knoxville, and to a large degree my contacts are so connected to the program that they offer criticism, but will put a positive spin on just about anything that happens in Knoxville.

The expectation levels are high in both places, but they are actually a little more realistic in Knoxville. UT fans want SEC titles. UK fans expect them every year...for good reason. I think they have 39 or 40 of them. Realistically with 7 NC's the Kentucky basketball team has a higher championship pedigree than UT's football team.

The programs certainly have mirrored one another recently. Since the NC's neither team has really had a full cupboard. Both have missed the necessary ingredients to put championship teams together. Last year UT was missing offensive and defensive lineman, while the UK basketball team finds itself without a great guard or forward.

This will sound inflammatory, but it is a completely honest evaluation. Tubby has much more respect among his peers than CPF does. That is one thing that will make him much harder to replace than CPF.

Both fan bases have a valid complaint about the style of play that each team adopts. Defense first and offense if your lucky. Tubbyball and Fulmerball are both unwatchable at times.
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fair enough, and i can't really disagree with any of that. i think Tubby gets a lot of cred cause he is widely considered a very good x's and o's coach, that doesnt' necessarily always have the best talent, whereas CPF is widely considered a great recruiter, but not as much as a good x's and o's kind of guy...but the results are largely the same lately, relatively speaking anyway.

anyway.....thanks.:hi:
 
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jakez4ut said:
fair enough, and i can't really disagree with any of that. i think Tubby gets a lot of cred cause he is widely considered a very good x's and o's coach, that doesnt' necessarily always have the best talent, whereas CPF is widely considered a great recruiter, but not as much as a good x's and o's kind of guy...but the results are largely the same lately, relatively speaking anyway.

anyway.....thanks.:hi:
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I think both have communication issues as well. There is little doubt in my mind that Tubby is the best defensive basketball coach in the country, and CPF probably knows as much about the OL as any headcoach out there. They both seem to have problems communicating their expertise to this particular generation of player. I also OFTEN question the personnel moves that both make.

Overall Tubby is considered a much better game coach than CPF even if it is apples and oranges.
 
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Lexvol said:
I think both have communication issues as well. There is little doubt in my mind that Tubby is the best defensive basketball coach in the country, and CPF probably knows as much about the OL as any headcoach out there. They both seem to have problems communicating their expertise to this particular generation of player. I also OFTEN question the personnel moves that both make.

Overall Tubby is considered a much better game coach than CPF even if it is apples and oranges.
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another good point...i think it's safe to say though that there enough similarities in the two coaches and fanbases of each respective sport......
 
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