Tug of War

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The Republican party is in a tug of war... with itself. I heard on the radio this a.m. that people within the campaign are telling Fox News that Palin did them in and they are very critical of her. Apparently, someone within the campaign told Fox that Palin did not know that Africa is a continent or who the members of NAFTA are.

At the same time, the Palin wing of the party, as it were, is criticizing McCain for being too bland and not right enough. They wanted an even harsher campaign against Obama and basically are saying, see, we should have nominated Huckabee all along.

This is a very interesting situation. It would seem on the one hand that the fiscal conservatives (but socially moderate or even liberal) are trying to hang on to their slim margin of power within the party whereas the hard right is fighting to take it back over, make traditionally right wing values the focus, such as abortion, gay rights, etc. I'd say this is basically the Rove wing versus the Palin wing, that's what I'd call it.

It will be interesting to see who comes out on top. The Rove wing has the power (that's left) in Washington. But the Palin wing has the momentum and the benefit of being able to criticize from the outside.

Democrats did the same thing after the Contract With America. Seems to be a rite of passage for whatever new image the losing party wants to rely on next time out.
 
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personally, i was more impressed w/ palin than i was mccain. and the main reason is how conservative they were, she's way more conservative in her values than mccain. look before he picked her, he had no shot. compared to the other 3 (Biden, McCain, Obama) she's a breath of fresh air, she's not the usual politician who has been in Washington.
 
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Bad campaign managers looking for a scapegoat so that they dont look so bad and they can run someone elses campaign into the ground later in the future.

McCain campaign was outclassed
 
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Vol Mania 21 said:
personally, i was more impressed w/ palin than i was mccain. and the main reason is how conservative they were, she's way more conservative in her values than mccain. look before he picked her, he had no shot. compared to the other 3 (Biden, McCain, Obama) she's a breath of fresh air, she's not the usual politician who has been in Washington.
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That is going to be the top argument from the Palin Wing -- that the country has in this election soundly rejected the Rove Wing and that the only way to get back into power is to go ahead and move to the right to reenergize the base.
 
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Vol Mania 21 said:
:blink: how so?
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On all fronts... TV ads, contacting people, money raised (although not that big of a deal) That 30 min Obama ad before the WS. They even had ads in video games. Obama campaign was a realy well run grassroots campaign. It seemed like the obama campaign was proactive while the McCain campaign was reactive
 
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Outclassed just leads to another debate about who went negative and in what way. Academic. I do think, however, that even the Republican campaing people are not so secretly admiring the discipline and organization of the Obama campaign. On that there seems little doubt.
 
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lawgator1 said:
That is going to be the top argument from the Palin Wing -- that the country has in this election soundly rejected the Rove Wing and that the only way to get back into power is to go ahead and move to the right to reenergize the base.
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if rove was allowed to run mccain's election no way mccain loses this badly. the mistake made with mccain was trying to be too centrist.
 
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The mistakes the GOP made were 1) nominating an old moderate and trying to dress him up like a conservative and 2) getting their doors completely blown off from a fundraising standpoint by Howard Dean.
 
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Bobby Jindal, Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee and Tim Pawlenty already look like they are running in 2012.
 
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GAVol said:
Bobby Jindal, Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee and Tim Pawlenty already look like they are running in 2012.
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while i like Jindal, does anyone really think they would elect him? seriously, the kwik-e-mart jokes will be going like crazy. I like Huck as well
 
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Is it really a stretch to think that an Indian immigrant with actual experience could get elected 2 days after we've elected Obama?

I've only seen Jindal speak a handful of times, but I've been impressed. He's effectively the Republican version of Obama.
 
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like i said i like Jindal, but i think it might be tough right now. we just now elected a half black, half white candidate
 
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GAVol said:
Is it really a stretch to think that an Indian immigrant with actual experience could get elected 2 days after we've elected Obama?

I've only seen Jindal speak a handful of times, but I've been impressed. He's effectively the Republican version of Obama.
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I'm going to say yes - that is a hell of a stretch. Now, the day after Arnold was elected President...that would be a different story. :p
 
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GAVol said:
Is it really a stretch to think that an Indian immigrant with actual experience could get elected 2 days after we've elected Obama?

I've only seen Jindal speak a handful of times, but I've been impressed. He's effectively the Republican version of Obama.
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p.s. he's not an immigrant
 
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Indian is a race as where Muslim is a religion. To say one looks muslim is not thinking straight. If I read your point correctly, maybe you think Obama looks like an Arab?
 
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