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In the last two years. SC last year and now Mizz where the D has no answers. I would argue the Florida game goes into this category as well. Losses are one thing but when you get boat raced that’s a cause for concern. AND NO I’m not calling for JH to be fired but he better start reevaluating somewhere. He has set the expectations high and rightly so….SO, these kind of losses are not acceptable. Still think we need consistently recruit top 5 every year and while we’re doing good we’re still not to bama or UGA levels.
 
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All of our loses the last 2 years have been embarrassing! The most points we scored in these loses is 20 pts (This Year) & the defense got man handled in them all!
 
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74charger said:
In the last two years. SC last year and now Mizz where the D has no answers. I would argue the Florida game goes into this category as well. Losses are one thing but when you get boat raced that’s a cause for concern. AND NO I’m not calling for JH to be fired but he better start reevaluating somewhere. He has set the expectations high and rightly so….SO, these kind of losses are not acceptable. Still think we need consistently recruit top 5 every year and while we’re doing good we’re still not to bama or UGA levels.
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Mainly because the defense is still populated with a lot of the same guys from last year. A year older isn't always a year better. The definition of insanity comes to mind. Until a lot of these upperclass guys are gone, it's more of the same. Heupel's potentially big mistake is not taking advantage of his honeymoon phase and getting more of these youngsters into games. Fans would be much more accepting if the perception is that we're building for the future. When the struggles come again next season, I don't think many will be quite so understanding given his absolute refusal to give the youngsters more playing time. They wasted the early part of the season. Not sure "youth" will fly as an excuse next season. And honestly, I don't think we'll have as good a record next year as this season unless Heupel pulls a Rick Barnes in the portal and absolutely crushes it.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
It’s starting to become a trend that Heupel needs to address moving forward.
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I wonder what a coach does to fix these things. It happens often during program-building, even with the best coaches. Look at Kirby Smart. He took over a loaded roster at Georgia, but in his first 4 years, he endured the following losses:

Year 1: lost at Ole Miss 45-14, lost to Vandy in Athens 17-16 (not a blowout, but it’s Vandy), Florida 24-10, lost to Georgia Tech (see Vandy). Finished 8-5.

Year 2: Only 1 loss before losing to Bama in the NC game…that was at Auburn, 40-17.

Year 3: Lost at LSU 36-16. Finished 11-3.

Year 4: Only regular season loss was to SC at home in 2 OTs before losing the SECCG to Burrow and LSU.

So in spite of compiling good records and competing for championships, it took Kirby until Year 4 to avoid an embarrassing blowout road loss each year. It seems kinda strange, given how good they were, that they endured blowouts each year. I guess it’s part of the culture-building process.
 
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CAVPUT said:
Mainly because the defense is still populated with a lot of the same guys from last year. A year older isn't always a year better. The definition of insanity comes to mind. Until a lot of these upperclass guys are gone, it's more of the same. Heupel's potentially big mistake is not taking advantage of his honeymoon phase and getting more of these youngsters into games. Fans would be much more accepting if the perception is that we're building for the future. When the struggles come again next season, I don't think many will be quite so understanding given his absolute refusal to give the youngsters more playing time. They wasted the early part of the season. Not sure "youth" will fly as an excuse next season. And honestly, I don't think we'll have as good a record next year as this season unless Heupel pulls a Rick Barnes in the portal and absolutely crushes it.
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Next years schedule is brutal and breaking in a new QB as well I’m thinking 7-5 or 8-4. Georgia isn’t going anywhere and neither is Bama and we also travel to Norman to play Oklahoma
 
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74charger said:
In the last two years. SC last year and now Mizz where the D has no answers. I would argue the Florida game goes into this category as well. Losses are one thing but when you get boat raced that’s a cause for concern. AND NO I’m not calling for JH to be fired but he better start reevaluating somewhere. He has set the expectations high and rightly so….SO, these kind of losses are not acceptable. Still think we need consistently recruit top 5 every year and while we’re doing good we’re still not to bama or UGA levels.
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Everyone seems keyed in on the defense like the offense did enough to win this game. The offense was just as bad if not worse.
 
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Volfan76 said:
Everyone seems keyed in on the defense like the offense did enough to win this game. The offense was just as bad if not worse.
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Two drives that doomed us was the 3 and out after that opening interception and the fumble before halftime. Score any points on those 2 drives and game is much different.
 
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DarkVolder said:
Next years schedule is brutal and breaking in a new QB as well I’m thinking 7-5 or 8-4. Georgia isn’t going anywhere and neither is Bama and we also travel to Norman to play Oklahoma
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Given our road history and who we potentially lose from the roster, I think 7 is our ceiling next year. If he kills it in the portal, that might bump me up to 8, but that's as good as she gets next year.
 
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NighthawkVol said:
I wonder what a coach does to fix these things. It happens often during program-building, even with the best coaches. Look at Kirby Smart. He took over a loaded roster at Georgia, but in his first 4 years, he endured the following losses:

Year 1: lost at Ole Miss 45-14, lost to Vandy in Athens 17-16 (not a blowout, but it’s Vandy), Florida 24-10, lost to Georgia Tech (see Vandy). Finished 8-5.

Year 2: Only 1 loss before losing to Bama in the NC game…that was at Auburn, 40-17.

Year 3: Lost at LSU 36-16. Finished 11-3.

Year 4: Only regular season loss was to SC at home in 2 OTs before losing the SECCG to Burrow and LSU.

So in spite of compiling good records and competing for championships, it took Kirby until Year 4 to avoid an embarrassing blowout road loss each year. It seems kinda strange, given how good they were, that they endured blowouts each year. I guess it’s part of the culture-building process.
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I will Volunteer for mission works in Afghanistan if our next four years are like Kirby’s first four. I completely understand the point that you’re making but I would gladly accept one bad road loss a year to play in the NC game next year.
 
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NighthawkVol said:
I wonder what a coach does to fix these things. It happens often during program-building, even with the best coaches. Look at Kirby Smart. He took over a loaded roster at Georgia, but in his first 4 years, he endured the following losses:

Year 1: lost at Ole Miss 45-14, lost to Vandy in Athens 17-16 (not a blowout, but it’s Vandy), Florida 24-10, lost to Georgia Tech (see Vandy). Finished 8-5.

Year 2: Only 1 loss before losing to Bama in the NC game…that was at Auburn, 40-17.

Year 3: Lost at LSU 36-16. Finished 11-3.

Year 4: Only regular season loss was to SC at home in 2 OTs before losing the SECCG to Burrow and LSU.

So in spite of compiling good records and competing for championships, it took Kirby until Year 4 to avoid an embarrassing blowout road loss each year. It seems kinda strange, given how good they were, that they endured blowouts each year. I guess it’s part of the culture-building process.
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I firmly believe Heupel needs to turn over the roster (4 classes) plus a class to completely stabilize the roster. We need a roster that doesn’t have a single player with any ties to the Pruitt years / transfer exodus of 2020…. Not saying Heupel needs 5 years here but it’s blatantly obvious he is gonna get 5 years minimum. He’s earned it. The underlying great thing about that is he gets to completely turn over the roster with his guys.
 
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It was 13-7 at the half, with our defense out on the field almost the entire time. This loss is more on the offense than the defense. The defense were freaking running on fumes in the 4th quarter
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
It was 13-7 at the half, with our defense out on the field almost the entire time. This loss is more on the offense than the defense. The defense were freaking running on fumes in the 4th quarter
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This was Florida all over again. Third down defense lost the game for us. Literally double digit chances to get off the field in the first half alone.
 
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CAVPUT said:
Given our road history and who we potentially lose from the roster, I think 7 is our ceiling next year. If he kills it in the portal, that might bump me up to 8, but that's as good as she gets next year.
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Agreed. Heup needs to hit the portal hard
 
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This team doesn’t have the depth or the talent to be 10-2. Lots of us said that at the beginning of the season. This team was always 9-3 at best or 7-5 at worst. With the NCAA investigation holding us back and the scholarship reduction, we should be thankful that we are as good as we are. The future is bright.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
I will Volunteer for mission works in Afghanistan if our next four years are like Kirby’s first four. I completely understand the point that you’re making but I would gladly accept one bad road loss a year to play in the NC game next year.
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We all would. But he took over a roster loaded with NFL talent. And yet, he STILL endured a blowout road loss in each of his first 3 years. So it seems like something that new coaches must get through in the building process…even for a coach who inherited the best situation in college football history. Heupel inherited one of the worst. And he didn’t have a Vandy or GT-like loss in Year 1.

Heupel and Smart also have inexperience in common when taking over their respective jobs. Kirby had never been a head coach. Josh had 3 years as HC at a mid major. Both still had room to grow, learn, get better. He will. Part of that process is figuring out these road games.
 
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davethevol said:
This team doesn’t have the depth or the talent to be 10-2. Lots of us said that at the beginning of the season. This team was always 9-3 at best or 7-5 at worst. With the NCAA investigation holding us back and the scholarship reduction, we should be thankful that we are as good as we are. The future is bright.
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That light you see is, indeed, a train headed our way.
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74charger said:
In the last two years. SC last year and now Mizz where the D has no answers. I would argue the Florida game goes into this category as well Losses are one thing but when you get boat raced that’s a cause for concern. AND NO I’m not calling for JH to be fired but he better start reevaluating somewhere. He has set the expectations high and rightly so….SO, these kind of losses are not acceptable. Still think we need consistently recruit top 5 every year and while we’re doing good we’re still not to bama or UGA levels.
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While I agree with most of your post I do think it will be extremely difficult to recruit top 5 classes every year given perennial recruiting powerhouses like Alabama, Ohio State, Georgia, Clemson, LSU, USC and Florida State who seem to be at the top of recruting ranking most years. And now with all the NIL money available I wouldn't be surprised to see well funded teams like Texas, Texas A&M, Oregon move higher up in recruiting rankings. All that said, I think Tennessee can still be a consistent top 10 ranked football team with better coaching. It seems to me that there is a LOT of football talent out there and Tennessee should be able to get their fair share with our traditions, fan base and our growing NIL influence. I know Jimmy's and Joe's are important but IMO great coaches are "importanter" (sic). GBO !!!
 
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NighthawkVol said:
I wonder what a coach does to fix these things. It happens often during program-building, even with the best coaches. Look at Kirby Smart. He took over a loaded roster at Georgia, but in his first 4 years, he endured the following losses:

Year 1: lost at Ole Miss 45-14, lost to Vandy in Athens 17-16 (not a blowout, but it’s Vandy), Florida 24-10, lost to Georgia Tech (see Vandy). Finished 8-5.

Year 2: Only 1 loss before losing to Bama in the NC game…that was at Auburn, 40-17.

Year 3: Lost at LSU 36-16. Finished 11-3.

Year 4: Only regular season loss was to SC at home in 2 OTs before losing the SECCG to Burrow and LSU.

So in spite of compiling good records and competing for championships, it took Kirby until Year 4 to avoid an embarrassing blowout road loss each year. It seems kinda strange, given how good they were, that they endured blowouts each year. I guess it’s part of the culture-building process.
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CJH has not trended the same manner as Smart did , at least not so far. We are better than when he came on board for sure, but in year 3 we still are not getting the talent that moves us closer to compete with the top tiered programs. Or at least we are not that deep in talent so if someone gets injured, their replacement is a big drop off. Also, Smart seem to place an emphasis on solidifying his defense compared to CJH who seems to let the defense come along for the ride while he focuses on the offense.
 
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