U.K. tried to curb U.S. on Iraq, ex-minister says

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U.K. reportedly tried to curb U.S. on Iraq - Conflict in Iraq - MSNBC.com

The British government tried to rein in U.S. policy in Iraq from the outset of the March 2003 invasion but found itself powerless to do so, a former cabinet minister was quoted on Saturday as saying.
David Blunkett, Home Secretary at the time of the invasion, told newspapers that Vice President Dick Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld could not diverted from their goal of dismantling the Iraqi Baathist government system.
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Liberal joygasm right there...........
 
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Just shocking that a European government favored an appeasement strategy.
 
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lazy man's most distinguished hero.
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That is funny!

check out his pic...

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Good thing this war in Iraq is going so well. We showed them.
 
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OWB said:
Good thing this war in Iraq is going so well. We showed them.
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You could say that from 1939 to 1944................do you give up and quit? Or is it not the right "cause" to fight for?

For that matter, what about reconstruction of Europe following World War II.....do you give up and quit? Or is it not the "right" cause?
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
You could say that from 1939 to 1944................do you give up and quit? Or is it not the right "cause" to fight for?

For that matter, what about reconstruction of Europe following World War II.....do you give up and quit? Or is it not the "right" cause?
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Not really even close to being the same situation..
 
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I think the "Iraq War" went very well. Currently though, the U.S. is proving that stability operations are, by their very nature, long and tedious tasks.
 
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by their very nature, long and tedious tasks.
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Which is why I brought up reconstruction Europe, for that matter look at our own reconstruction..................Our own reconstruction was far worse than Iraq is now.
 
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therealUT said:
I think the "Iraq War" went very well. Currently though, the U.S. is proving that stability operations are, by their very nature, long and tedious tasks.
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I just don't see it that way. I see the "invasion" going very well because they let the U.S. walk right in there. Once the US was in, then the real war began.
 
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I have a question then for you, OWB, which operation worked better tactically, the Desert Storm or Iraqi Freedom?
 
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just don't see it that way. I see the "invasion" going very well because they let the U.S. walk right in there. Once the US was in, then the real war began.
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Come on, the Iraqi military was in terrible shape.

Your not saying the terrorists and the Iraqi government were in cahoots are you? The Iraqi military "bait" the coalition forces into Iraq so the terrorists could clean up the mess?

*Just as a side note, mere curiosity, what is your impression of our military? Or does it not even interest you?
 
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therealUT said:
I have a question then for you, OWB, which operation worked better tactically, the Desert Storm or Iraqi Freedom?
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I don't know, that's a tough question to answer. I guess I'd have to go with Iraqi freedom just because the U.S. was able to accomplish their primary goals using less than they did in Desert Storm..
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
Come on, the Iraqi military was in terrible shape.

Your not saying the terrorists and the Iraqi government were in cahoots are you? The Iraqi military "bait" the coalition forces into Iraq so the terrorists could clean up the mess?

*Just as a side note, mere curiosity, what is your impression of our military? Or does it not even interest you?
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I'm not saying anything except it is what it is. Regardless if they planned it or not, it has become pretty effective.

As for my impression of our military, I think we have a great military, just piss poor leadership. Personally, I think that we need more troops in Iraq if they're not going to start pulling them out. The current course isn't getting anything done.
 
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I would be willing to bet that we are nearing the time when troop withdrawals will begin. From a politcal standpoint, the pressure to get out is going to really ratchet up as we get into the 2008 campaign.
 
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As for my impression of our military, I think we have a great military, just piss poor leadership. Personally, I think that we need more troops in Iraq if they're not going to start pulling them out. The current course isn't getting anything done.
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1.) Agreed 200%..............I used to like Donny "Ball Game" a lot...and no is has nothing to do with the democratic smear campaign against him.

2.) I agree, if we are to stay, then troop levels should go up.

3.) Do we have a course?

There was no doubt in my mind that the reconstruction of Iraq was going to be long and terrible.....that is why I pointed out our own reconstruction and Europe's.

At this point, what are our objectives and goals.

I mean we had the Marshall Plan........

Interesting quotes from our reconstruction....

As early as 1868 Supreme Court Chief Justice Salmon P. Chase, a leading Radical during the war, concluded that:
"Congress was right in not limiting, by its reconstruction acts, the right of suffrage to whites; but wrong in the exclusion from suffrage of certain classes of citizens and all unable to take its prescribed retrospective oath, and wrong also in the establishment of despotic military governments for the States and in authorizing military commissions for the trial of civilians in time of peace. There should have been as little military government as possible; no military commissions; no classes excluded from suffrage; and no oath except one of faithful obedience and support to the Constitution and laws, and of sincere attachment to the constitutional Government of the United States."[27]
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"the Reconstruction experiment in racial democracy failed because it began at the wrong end, emphasizing political means and civil rights acts rather than economic means and self-determination." -Booker T. Washington
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I am in and out all day, so my posts are going to be a little sporatic.

Interesting trivia, in the first 4 days of ground combat in Desert Storm (really the only 4 days of actual ground combat) the U.S. had over 130 KIAs, and we were pretty much fighting on traditional, linear battlefields.

In OIF, we are fighting in cities, against unconventional and non uniformed enemies. We have not had 4 consecutive days that have been that costly.

In Fallujah, by far the most intense fighting US forces have been in during GWOT, we had 92 KIAs in 45 days of fighting.

More interesting trivia:
While Franks was planning OIF, he prepared battle plans ranging from 50,000 troops to 500,000.
 
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