UF loses another 4* Recruit

[DarkAvenger]

UF 2019 Arjei Henderson not eligible

Found this entertaining.

 

[Boogievol]

Good things happening at Florida, let's hope their luck, or lack thereof, holds up for a while.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

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[LandonVFL]

This quote from a Florida poster is gold

“
Man....not the text alert I was hoping for.

Last 3 from 247 are -

Huggins dismissed
Banks retires
A. Henderson can’t read”

 

[Ten_Titans]

Not going to pretend we have a better roster than UF or Georgia because we don't.

But it's easier to think that we will catch up if they continue losing guys while we have almost zero attrition through two recruiting classes.

 

[DarkAvenger]

Not going to pretend we have a better roster than UF or Georgia because we don't.

But it's easier to think that we will catch up if they continue losing guys while we have almost zero attrition through two recruiting classes.

I don’t see how Florida recovers for next year but time will tell.

 

[Jaws]

I don’t see how Florida recovers for next year but time will tell.

They recover very easily. What you and others are missing is that Mullen has been the best in the country at adding to the roster from the portal. Not just adding random dudes but adding ballers. This more than offsets a hand full of guys dropping from a recruiting class. Consider this: in 2018, Mullen added starting WR’s Van Jefferson and Tre Grimes (a former 5*), starting DT Adam Shuler, contributing TE Lucas Krull, starting RT Jean Delance, all-SEC punter Tommy Townsend, backup DT and heavy contributor Marlon Dunlap. Then in 2019, he added two of the most coveted transfers in the country in DE Jon Greenard (starter) and former 5-star Brenton Cox.

The game has changed with the transfer portal and Mullen appears to be ahead of his fellow coaches in taking advantage of it. This is not to say he won’t change his recruiting approach some to prevent losing more than a normal amount due to not qualifying academically. In Mullen’s first class at UF (2018) he lost zero to not qualifying. That’s below norm. But the 2019 class has lost above the norm. But UF will easily overcome these losses through the portal.

 

[RoaminVol]

They recover very easily. What you and others are missing is that Mullen has been the best in the country at adding to the roster from the portal. Not just adding random dudes but adding ballers. This more than offsets a hand full of guys dropping from a recruiting class. Consider this: in 2018, Mullen added starting WR’s Van Jefferson and Tre Grimes (a former 5*), starting DT Adam Shuler, contributing TE Lucas Krull, starting RT Jean Delance, all-SEC punter Tommy Townsend, backup DT and heavy contributor Marlon Dunlap. Then in 2019, he added two of the most coveted transfers in the country in DE Jon Greenard (starter) and former 5-star Brenton Cox.

The game has changed with the transfer portal and Mullen appears to be ahead of his fellow coaches in taking advantage of it. This is not to say he won’t change his recruiting approach some to prevent losing more than a normal amount due to not qualifying academically. In Mullen’s first class at UF (2018) he lost zero to not qualifying. That’s below norm. But the 2019 class has lost above the norm. But UF will easily overcome these losses through the portal.

Bro just give up Florida took two steps back today. Maybe not for this year but the upcoming future.

 

[Jaws]

Bro just give up Florida took two steps back today. Maybe not for this year but the upcoming future.

How so? They’ve lost 4 or 5 guys from a recruiting class but have added 7 from the transfer portal. Yeah, they’ll never recover.

I realize you’d love to believe that UF “took two steps back,” but in actuality they’re fine.

 

[UTK]

They recover very easily. What you and others are missing is that Mullen has been the best in the country at adding to the roster from the portal. Not just adding random dudes but adding ballers. This more than offsets a hand full of guys dropping from a recruiting class. Consider this: in 2018, Mullen added starting WR’s Van Jefferson and Tre Grimes (a former 5*), starting DT Adam Shuler, contributing TE Lucas Krull, starting RT Jean Delance, all-SEC punter Tommy Townsend, backup DT and heavy contributor Marlon Dunlap. Then in 2019, he added two of the most coveted transfers in the country in DE Jon Greenard (starter) and former 5-star Brenton Cox.

The game has changed with the transfer portal and Mullen appears to be ahead of his fellow coaches in taking advantage of it. This is not to say he won’t change his recruiting approach some to prevent losing more than a normal amount due to not qualifying academically. In Mullen’s first class at UF (2018) he lost zero to not qualifying. That’s below norm. But the 2019 class has lost above the norm. But UF will easily overcome these losses through the portal.

No program is going to substaine itself on transfers every year.

 

[VolunteerVandiver]

Mullen went with the Butch Jones approach and signed a bunch of iffy highly-rated guys, that others schools were backing off of, to make Florida's recruiting class look good on the recruiting sites.

Meanwhile, Pruitt's 'cruits are all on campus and "practicing how we expected them to," per Pruitt. We may not see it this year, but the future is bright if Pruitt keeps hitting on his evals like this.

I love what is happening at Florida right now.

 

[BeecherVol]

They recover very easily. What you and others are missing is that Mullen has been the best in the country at adding to the roster from the portal. Not just adding random dudes but adding ballers. This more than offsets a hand full of guys dropping from a recruiting class. Consider this: in 2018, Mullen added starting WR’s Van Jefferson and Tre Grimes (a former 5*), starting DT Adam Shuler, contributing TE Lucas Krull, starting RT Jean Delance, all-SEC punter Tommy Townsend, backup DT and heavy contributor Marlon Dunlap. Then in 2019, he added two of the most coveted transfers in the country in DE Jon Greenard (starter) and former 5-star Brenton Cox.

The game has changed with the transfer portal and Mullen appears to be ahead of his fellow coaches in taking advantage of it. This is not to say he won’t change his recruiting approach some to prevent losing more than a normal amount due to not qualifying academically. In Mullen’s first class at UF (2018) he lost zero to not qualifying. That’s below norm. But the 2019 class has lost above the norm. But UF will easily overcome these losses through the portal.

This makes sense if he's relatively new to the game. But he's been a HFC for a decade in the SEC. Its not like he's figuring out how the academics and eligibility work. Or that this guy or that guy is a higher risk of leaving early.

I have no idea how much this does or doesn't matter to UF in the big picture. You may be 100% correct that he has already recovered through the portal and this is muchado...

Id imagine his success in the portal is tied to the idea that he has open spots to fill to begin with. I don't know how much credit Id give him just yet for figuring out something no one else has given he's in a position to do that more recently.

 

[Jaws]

No program is going to substaine itself on transfers every year.

I tend to agree, but Florida won’t need to every year. If there is a bad year where you lose a hand full in a recruiting class, go hammer down on the portal. If you lose none, you won’t need to.

And this is not just for UF, it’s for any team. The portal has changed the game, it has become important and helpful to roster-building.

 

[Jaws]

Mullen went with the Butch Jones approach and signed a bunch of iffy highly-rated guys, that others schools were backing off of, to make Florida's recruiting class look good on the recruiting sites.

Meanwhile, Pruitt's 'cruits are all on campus and "practicing how we expected them to," per Pruitt. We may not see it this year, but the future is bright if Pruitt keeps hitting on his evals like this.

I love what is happening at Florida right now.

Mullen has had 2 recruiting classes at UF. His 2018 classes had zero attrition due to academic non-qualifiers. His 2019 class has had 4. Sometimes this happens, guys are borderline and you hope for the best. Every single player that hasn’t qualified was recruited by most teams in the country including Pruitt and UT.

As I pointed out, over Mullen’s tenure, his additions have far outweighed the attrition.

I also LOVE what is happening at Florida right now.

 

[Jaws]

This makes sense if he's relatively new to the game. But he's been a HFC for a decade in the SEC. Its not like he's figuring out how the academics and eligibility work. Or that this guy or that guy is a higher risk of leaving early.

I have no idea how much this does or doesn't matter to UF in the big picture. You may be 100% correct that he has already recovered through the portal and this is muchado...

Id imagine his success in the portal is tied to the idea that he has open spots to fill to begin with. I don't know how much credit Id give him just yet for figuring out something no one else has given he's in a position to do that more recently.

Good post. I think Mullen will tweak his approach on accepting borderline qualifiers. But again, these guys who didn’t qualify had 4 or 5 hats on tables along with UF’s when they picked Florida. Teams like Georgia and FSU and LSU, Auburn, etc. were obviously willing to take the risk too. It happens in recruiting but I agree that your program can’t take hits every single year. Anomaly years can be offset by the portal.

 

[Jaws]

By the way, Arjei Henderson chose UF over FSU and Tennessee.

So obviously Pruitt was fine with his academics.

 

[BeecherVol]

Good post. I think Mullen will tweak his approach on accepting borderline qualifiers. But again, these guys who didn’t qualify had 4 or 5 hats on tables along with UF’s when they picked Florida. Teams like Georgia and FSU and LSU, Auburn, etc. were obviously willing to take the risk too. It happens in recruiting but I agree that your program can’t take hits every single year. Anomaly years can be offset by the portal.

I don't doubt he probably took more risks in his first 2 classes than he would like or may have to in the future. The first class has worked out better on paper for bodies, even tho it was ranked lower.

The interesting part to me is how a really good first year didn't = a big splash with the '19 class and open doors to more options where you're not having to taking as many risks. The book is not written on that signing class by no means (for any school) but at this point it'd be hard to argue that UT's 12th ranked '19 class is just as good if not better than UF's 9th ranked class. And that's coming off 5-7.

The portal has filled gaps from that class for UF. But neither UT or UF is recruiting well enough to be where they want. UT is a little easier to explain. UF not so much.

 

[Jaws]

I don't doubt he probably took more risks in his first 2 classes than he would like or may have to in the future. The first class has worked out better on paper for bodies, even tho it was ranked lower.

The interesting part to me is how a really good first year didn't = a big splash with the '19 class and open doors to more options where you're not having to taking as many risks. The book is not written on that signing class by no means (for any school) but at this point it'd be hard to argue that UT's 12th ranked '19 class is just as good if not better than UF's 9th ranked class. And that's coming off 5-7.

The portal has filled gaps from that class for UF. But neither UT or UF is recruiting well enough to be where they want. UT is a little easier to explain. UF not so much.

I think you make a lot of good points in that post. The point suggesting that Mullen should have done a better recruiting job after a 10-win 2018 season is hard to disagree with. My only counterpoint would be that even though the 2019 class is now low in total number because of the attrition, word is that at least 10 of those guys are having outstanding camps and will contribute significantly to this year’s team, which is a lot for a team with a ton of returning vets. Kris Bogle, Mohamoud Diabate, Chester Kimbrough and Nayquan Wright are rumored to be phenoms, so good they will earn playing time THIS year over proven juniors and seniors.

And guys like Kaiir Elam, Jaydon Hill, Ethan White, Keon Zipperer, Josh Pierre and Tyron Hopper have looked outstanding and will provide depth this year.

So while it’s obviously not ideal to have heavy attrition, if you’re left with a core of really good players, you’re probably going to be alright.

 

[lawgator1]

So a guy that had not come to UF is not going to end up going to UF. Folks act like that means we won't fill the spot. We will, I assure you.

 

[VolunteerVandiver]

Mullen has had 2 recruiting classes at UF. His 2018 classes had zero attrition due to academic non-qualifiers. His 2019 class has had 4. Sometimes this happens, guys are borderline and you hope for the best. Every single player that hasn’t qualified was recruited by most teams in the country including Pruitt and UT.

As I pointed out, over Mullen’s tenure, his additions have far outweighed the attrition.

I also LOVE what is happening at Florida right now.

Yes, only 4 lost to attrition, but isn't it 4 of the top 8 they signed (or something like that)?

UF also has lost many players to other issues, some of which are indicative of a culture issue. What do you guys have, 70 scholarship players right now? It is odd you can't see the issue here.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

0-24

 

[Jaws]

So a guy that had not come to UF is not going to end up going to UF. Folks act like that means we won't fill the spot. We will, I assure you.

And actually already have. UF lost 5 guys from that class but have added 8 from the portal.

UF taking all this incoming and faux outrage over inconsequential stuff because people know what kind of run UF can go on with the right coach, and last year they appeared to have the right coach.

 

[BeecherVol]

I think you make a lot of good points in that post. The point suggesting that Mullen should have done a better recruiting job after a 10-win 2018 season is hard to disagree with. My only counterpoint would be that even though the 2019 class is now low in total number because of the attrition, word is that at least 10 of those guys are having outstanding camps and will contribute significantly to this year’s team, which is a lot for a team with a ton of returning vets. Kris Bogle, Mohamoud Diabate, Chester Kimbrough and Nayquan Wright are rumored to be phenoms, so good they will earn playing time THIS year over proven juniors and seniors.

And guys like Kaiir Elam, Jaydon Hill, Ethan White, Keon Zipperer, Josh Pierre and Tyron Hopper have looked outstanding and will provide depth this year.

So while it’s obviously not ideal to have heavy attrition, if you’re left with a core of really good players, you’re probably going to be alright.

Its not really a counterpoint. I mentioned earlier that the final chapter on the 19' class isn't written yet for UF or really anybody else yet. My point was simply that after his successful first season I wasn't expecting him to be having these type recruiting issues Would have made more sense with his first class where your scrambling just to fill spots.

 

[Jaws]

Yes, only 4 lost to attrition, but isn't it 4 of the top 8 they signed (or something like that)?

UF also has lost many players to other issues, some of which are indicative of a culture issue. What do you guys have, 70 scholarship players right now? It is odd you can't see the issue here.

I think they’re at 79 or 80 scholarship players not counting any they’ve handed out to walk-ons. Why is it a “culture problem” at UF but nothing to worry about at Georgia, Miami, FSU, LSU, Auburn, South Carolina, Arkansas, A&M and many others? Hell, even UT is right behind UF in guys entering the portal (9). All of the teams I’ve mentioned have had more attrition than Florida, but nobody says boo about that, nobody questions their culture.

Florida is getting an unreal amount of national press over every little roster move, and most of those moves are painted as negative. That’s happening because it gets clicks, and comments, and re-tweets, and shares from the HUGE anti-UF fan bases out there. FSU, UGA, Miami, UT, LSU and even UCF and Kentucky fan bases HATE Florida. Nobody else has that kind of attention. It’s ratcheted up this year so much because UF is getting very close to being “back.”

Miami has had a safety who was battling for starting spot transfer three days ago and a CB transfer TODAY. But you can’t find that anywhere. UF has a dude that hasn’t even enrolled and wasn’t being counted on for anything, at a position that is LOADED for the next 2-3 years (WR), not qualify and you’d think they just got the death penalty.

 

[De La Cloobs]

Screw Florida

Another one bites the dust