UKs Morris eligible again

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Originally posted by lawgator1@Dec 15, 2005 5:46 PM
Apparently, UK's big man is back on the team after a fax clarifying that, every move he made notwithstanding, he really did not mean it when he said he was going into the NBA:  http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?id=2260326

I am VERY close to calling shenanigans.  Any rumors out there about the magic fax theory?
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Since we are both members of the bar, I thought this theory might interest you. Wouldn't you think that SFX is the entity with the most to lose here? While Morris loses his eligibility and Tubby loses some games, SFX stands to lose its position as an industry leader. Morris would probably be able to sue them because he suffered damages,i.e. loss of eligibility and possible pro earnings. If there is anything untoward going on, I've got to think SFX is involved.
 
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Originally posted by lawgator1@Dec 15, 2005 5:46 PM
Apparently, UK's big man is back on the team after a fax clarifying that, every move he made notwithstanding, he really did not mean it when he said he was going into the NBA:  http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?id=2260326

I am VERY close to calling shenanigans.  Any rumors out there about the magic fax theory?
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Gullible.Crooked.No scrupples.
 
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If this is true that he is back...I'm gonna hurl violently into the street outside of my house. :yuck:
 
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Alot of UK faithful are already wanting to run Tubby out of town, this should fuel the fire.
 
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Morris will definatley help the Cats but I think thier problems are much bigger than him right now.
 
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OK, being the token Kentucky fan here, I will say that having Morris back is surprising to me. I thought, given Kentucky's history of laying down and taking whatever the NCAA dished out, that we wouldn't see Morris for another year. It has to be the first time that we fought back, stonewalled, hired a bevy of lawyers, and actually won.

That said, having Morris back doesn't solve a lot of our issues. This Kentucky team has a lot of attitude and ego problems, similar to Team Turmoil a few years back. Maybe, he makes a 3 or 4 game difference over the season. Morris hasn't really shown me a lot in his time at UK.
 
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Originally posted by Brian McCat@Dec 15, 2005 9:32 PM
OK, being the token Kentucky fan here, I will say that having Morris back is surprising to me.  I thought, given Kentucky's history of laying down and taking whatever the NCAA dished out, that we wouldn't see Morris for another year.  It has to be the first time that we fought back, stonewalled, hired a bevy of lawyers, and actually won.

That said, having Morris back doesn't solve a lot of our issues.  This Kentucky team has a lot of attitude and ego problems, similar to Team Turmoil a few years back.  Maybe, he makes a 3 or 4 game difference over the season.  Morris hasn't really shown me a lot in his time at UK.
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Brian - add me to the UK fan list - I'm an alum. I'm dismayed to hear that the problem is an ego issue. I thought it was an offensive talent issue. I thought Tubby was skilled at handling ego issues. The team from 2 or 3 years ago (the one that lost to Marquette) was the most unselfish, blue-collar team I've ever seen. I thought that was what Tubby-ball was all about. If what you say is true, I'm depressed!
 
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so can someone tell me why he can come back but donte stallworth couldnt come back???
 
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Originally posted by volinbham@Dec 15, 2005 10:07 PM
Brian - add me to the UK fan list - I'm an alum.  I'm dismayed to hear that the problem is an ego issue.  I thought it was an offensive talent issue.  I thought Tubby was skilled at handling ego issues.  The team from 2 or 3 years ago (the one that lost to Marquette) was the most unselfish, blue-collar team I've ever seen.  I thought that was what Tubby-ball was all about.  If what you say is true, I'm depressed!
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A kentucky fan....shouldn't you be Kentuckyfaninbham?
 
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Originally posted by Jmxvol@Dec 15, 2005 10:08 PM
A kentucky fan....shouldn't you be Kentuckyfaninbham?
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Is it not possible to like more than one team? I went to school at both places. If helps any, I'll pull for the Vols against the Cats.

Finally, I'm hated in Bham much more for being a Vol than I ever would be for being a Wildcat! :peace2:
 
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Originally posted by volinbham@Dec 15, 2005 10:14 PM
Is it not possible to like more than one team? 
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Actually no...That would make you a sheep.
 
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Originally posted by Jmxvol@Dec 15, 2005 10:15 PM
Actually no...That would make you a sheep.
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If that's the case, I'm hoping you're not a lonely shepherd :biggrin2:
 
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Originally posted by lawgator1@Dec 15, 2005 10:19 PM
An article on CNN/SI that appears to predate the reconsideration.  Worth a read if you care about this issue:  http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writ...ghts/index.html

It just seems like B.S. to me that he did not really mean to go into the draft.  Even if the fax is legit, it seems more like CYA to me than anything else.

It kind of stinks.  We'll hear more about this, I predict.
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Beat them on the court and it doesn't matter.
 
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Originally posted by lawgator1@Dec 15, 2005 10:19 PM
An article on CNN/SI that appears to predate the reconsideration.  Worth a read if you care about this issue:  http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writ...ghts/index.html

Even if the fax is legit, it seems more like CYA to me than anything else.

It kind of stinks.  We'll hear more about this, I predict.
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As a lawyer, wouldn't you advise a client to comply with regulations even if only to CYA? The NCAA has very complicated rules, seems like CYA is sound advice.
 
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Originally posted by hatvol96@Dec 15, 2005 6:37 PM
Since we are both members of the bar, I thought this theory might interest you. Wouldn't you think that SFX is the entity with the most to lose here? While Morris loses his eligibility and Tubby loses some games, SFX stands to lose its position as an industry leader. Morris would probably be able to sue them because he suffered damages,i.e. loss of eligibility and possible pro earnings. If there is anything untoward going on, I've got to think SFX is involved.
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Yes, I thought of that. I would think it more likely that they had him send the fax at the time as CYA than necessarily create it later to fend off the full suspension. If they had him do it then, that was surely a lawyer telling them (and him) it would be ammo to get him past the NCAA no return policy. If they had a hand in anything like creating it now, they risk a whole lot more.

If there is a conspiracy here to falsely claim he intended to stay NCAA eligible, it will come out. Someone will break it.
 
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Originally posted by volinbham@Dec 15, 2005 10:23 PM
As a lawyer, wouldn't you advise a client to comply with regulations even if only to CYA?  The NCAA has very complicated rules, seems like CYA is sound advice.
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See right above. We think alike.
 
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Originally posted by lawgator1@Dec 15, 2005 10:25 PM
See right above.  We think alike.
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Then why the call for "shenanigans"? If the fax is legit and within the rules and lawyer recommended - what's the fuss about?
 
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Originally posted by volinbham@Dec 15, 2005 10:27 PM
Then why the call for "shenanigans"?  If the fax is legit and within the rules and lawyer recommended - what's the fuss about?
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Oh, you are absolutely right -- there would be no official shenanigans if the fax is authentic. I'm just saying that its a boot-strapping argument even if it is legit. "I did not intend to go into the draft all the way and my proof is that I said so, even though I made deals with agents, allowed them to go around and say they represent me, I went to scouting camps, and so on. But, some lawyer wrote a letter for me to sign that says I really meant the opposite of every action I took."

If the fax is fake, then its shenanigans. If the fax is legit, then its still pretty transparent what is going on here.
 
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Originally posted by lawgator1@Dec 15, 2005 10:36 PM
Oh, you are absolutely right -- there would be no official shenanigans if the fax is authentic.  I'm just saying that its a boot-strapping argument even if it is legit.  "I did not intend to go into the draft all the way and my proof is that I said so, even though I made deals with agents, allowed them to go around and say they represent me, I went to scouting camps, and so on.  But, some lawyer wrote a letter for me to sign that says I really meant the opposite of every action I took."

If the fax is fake, then its shenanigans.  If the fax is legit, then its still pretty transparent what is going on here.
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I agree that if the fax is fake then we have a problem. I don't have a problem if it's legit though. This situation occurs every year (e.g. Roberts at MSU). It is an outgrowth of the tension between the NCAA and the realities of college basketball as a farm league for the NBA. If this is the way the rules are written, so be it. Transparent or not, this is how the system deals with the conflicting aims. If the rules are applied the same way for all programs then I see no problem.

One could argue the moral implications but as we know, morality and legality are two different things. Also, it can be argued that individuals should be allowed to "test the waters" since they are bound to the university in "contracts" where they serve as "apprentices" if you will. The educational opportunity that players receive is great no doubt, but the universities generate substantial revenues from these apprentices. What is the real harm in allowing the player to adequately assess his/her alternatives? What is the moral basis for denying their return to an apprenticeship simply because they sought a better deal elsewhere? It appears that the dividing line is some arbitrary line between amateur and professional. The NCAA has set the guidelines for deciding which side a player falls on and therefore, if the player CHA - he is simply operating within the rules of the system.

Oh yeah, and as a UK fan - I'll find anyway to justify Morris coming back :biggrin2:
 
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Originally posted by Brian McCat@Dec 15, 2005 9:32 PM
OK, being the token Kentucky fan here, I will say that having Morris back is surprising to me.  I thought, given Kentucky's history of laying down and taking whatever the NCAA dished out, that we wouldn't see Morris for another year.  It has to be the first time that we fought back, stonewalled, hired a bevy of lawyers, and actually won.

That said, having Morris back doesn't solve a lot of our issues.  This Kentucky team has a lot of attitude and ego problems, similar to Team Turmoil a few years back.  Maybe, he makes a 3 or 4 game difference over the season.  Morris hasn't really shown me a lot in his time at UK.
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Hey cat, good to here from you again. My neighbor is a huge UK bball fan, huge. His dad graduated from UT. This year I think UT takes the game in Knoxville.
 
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I agree with the Donte Stallworth getting screwed post.It's all bogus.
 
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Originally posted by volinbham@Dec 15, 2005 10:07 PM
I thought it was an offensive talent issue.  I thought Tubby was skilled at handling ego issues.  The team from 2 or 3 years ago (the one that lost to Marquette) was the most unselfish, blue-collar team I've ever seen.  I thought that was what Tubby-ball was all about.  If what you say is true, I'm depressed!
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This is the softest Kentucky team that I've seen in the frontcourt. There are no players with that "warrior mentality" like a Chuck Hayes, Marquis Estill, or Jamal Magloire. Shag and Woo are busts at the post, let's face it.

Tubby is all about team play, and will do what's necessary to get the team back. I just think that he got blindsided by the Morris thing, as well as Azubuike leaving a year early.

I attended the Kentucky/Indiana game in the RCA Dome last Saturday night, and I must say that it's the least talented Kentucky team that I've seen since Sutton's last year. They don't run the offense at all. At times, there are 4 guards on the floor. At the half, they jogged back to the locker room with their tail between their legs, totally whipped. No heart, no courage.

Firing Tubby ain't the answer. He's an excellent coach. With time, we'll hang the banner for another SEC championship in March, but the road there will be tough.
 
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