UNC tells NCAA they have no jurisdiction in academic fraud case.

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Ahh The "Carolina Way". The absolute premiere school full of ****. It's one thing when you accept your issues, but it's completely different when you blame everyone else and act like a *****. Which is typical for UNC.
 
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I'm not sure they're wrong. Does the NCAA have jurisdiction over individual classes? Doubtful
 
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utvolpj said:
I'm not sure they're wrong. Does the NCAA have jurisdiction over individual classes? Doubtful
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They're not wrong. These were sham classes available to any student. Still not something to be proud of, but the NCAA has no enforcement leg to stand on here, IMO. It's kinda like getting busted for a DUI, blowing a 0.10, and then getting off on a technicality because the machine hadn't been properly calibrated and was inaccurate by 0.02.
 
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I don't think they can get onto UNC for the dummy classes, but they should be able to go after them for playing players that took those classes (ineligible players). You have to take a certain amount of hours and work towards a diploma. If UNC wasn't doing that with those classes seems like the NCAA could use that angle. especially since the coaches knew about it.

It shouldn't be up to the NCAA to say which classes are legit, but I seem to recall some accrediting agency being pissed at UNC for this which gives the NCAA a leg to stand on.
 
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LouderVol said:
I don't think they can get onto UNC for the dummy classes, but they should be able to go after them for playing players that took those classes (ineligible players). You have to take a certain amount of hours and work towards a diploma. If UNC wasn't doing that with those classes seems like the NCAA could use that angle. especially since the coaches knew about it.

It shouldn't be up to the NCAA to say which classes are legit, but I seem to recall some accrediting agency being pissed at UNC for this which gives the NCAA a leg to stand on.
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Sylvia Hatchell and ONLY Sylvia Hatchell knew about these sham classes that originated in 1993.
 
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LouderVol said:
I don't think they can get onto UNC for the dummy classes, but they should be able to go after them for playing players that took those classes (ineligible players). You have to take a certain amount of hours and work towards a diploma. If UNC wasn't doing that with those classes seems like the NCAA could use that angle. especially since the coaches knew about it.

It shouldn't be up to the NCAA to say which classes are legit, but I seem to recall some accrediting agency being pissed at UNC for this which gives the NCAA a leg to stand on.
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Not an athletics issue.
 
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Regulator said:
Not an athletics issue.
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I think that is what this lawsuit is trying to figure out. I see it as an issue that effects athletics. I don't see the issue with the NCAA setting the standard for who gets to compete, and I don't see an issue with them going after a member school for using players that follow those common standard.

its kinda similar to what would happen at LSU if the school shut down imo. If there is no school open to give accredited classes by the rules their players shouldn't be able to compete.

now the argument can be made about what the rules SHOULD be. but imo its pretty clear UNC broke the rules as they are. and I don't know how it would work if this lawsuit won and the NCAA had to change its rule to "only athletics", whatever that means. I would think UNC is still guilty of breaking the rules and could be punished. The NCAA didn't take away UNC's bowl victory over UT after the rule was changed, not sure why this would be different.
 
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LouderVol said:
not sure if serious....
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No, but that's the picture being painted. Women's basketball will be the sacrificial lamb, receive postseason bans, scholarship reductions, etc. UNC can spin this however they want and they have , but there is plenty of evidence that athletes were influenced to take AFAM classes. 10 of the 15 players on the 2005 national title team were AFAM majors.
 
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This final paper got an "A" for a student athlete... :whistling:
 

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Regulator said:
Not an athletics issue.
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Whether or not the NCAA has any authority to sanction UNC-Chapel Hill's athletics department could be another story but you're dead wrong that this was 'not an athletics issue'. The investigation has revealed that the hallmark of Deborah Crowder's pervasive actions were to help at-risk athletes maintain their academic eligibility. Did this fraud also extend to non-student athletes? Apparently so but that doesn't change what Crowder and Jan Boxill were doing or why they were doing it... and with a complete lack of institutional oversight in the process.
 
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CoaxialOrange said:
Ruling on this could really change things for the NCAA going forward imo
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Sure. UNC is basically telling the NCAA that whether or not they have any academic integrity is none of their business... and this is supposedly one of the best academic institutions in the country? Imagine what the hell Auburn and Ole Miss would do with this precedent.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Whether or not the NCAA has any authority to sanction UNC-Chapel Hill's athletics department could be another story but you're dead wrong that this was 'not an athletics issue'. The investigation has revealed that the hallmark of Deborah Crowder's pervasive actions were to help at-risk athletes maintain their academic eligibility. Did this fraud also effect non-student athletes? Apparently so but that doesn't change what Crowder and Boxill were doing or why they were doing it... and with a complete lack of institutional oversight in the process.
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When I say "not an athletics issue" I'm talking about how the NCAA looks at the athletics/academics relationship from the viewpoint of the athlete having received impermissible benefits (sham classes) not available to the general student body, thereby making that athlete ineligible. This situation is in the grey area of enforcement.
 
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Well, all youse guys what thinks the NCAA got no business sticking their heads inta this question of how legit a class is or not, ...
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I got me a money makin idea.
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We here on VN gonna start our own Sports University. Only classes gonna be like them over in Carolina an we gonna have classes named "Introduction to Offensive Football" an "Professional Sports Commontaterin' as a Career Choice after Playin' Pro" an give credit hours for attendance in practice and games. We'll get all these $$$$$ from gubermint student loans an athletic donations an make a fortune an tell the NCAA they can stuffit. We gonna play in one o' their D1 conferences an we gonna whoop snot outta the competition cause sports is all we do an alla 5 star boyz gonna wanta play here!
 
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Regulator said:
When I say "not an athletics issue" I'm talking about how the NCAA looks at the athletics/academics relationship from the viewpoint of the athlete having received impermissible benefits (sham classes) not available to the general student body, thereby making that athlete ineligible. This situation is in the grey area of enforcement.
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The NCAA should be looking at it from a graduation standpoint as I talked about before. Each student has to take an average of 12 hrs and maintain a certain GPA. since these are filler classes they boost both of those numbers. in which case UNC would have been playing a bunch of players who should have been academically ineligible.
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
Well, all youse guys what thinks the NCAA got no business sticking their heads inta this question of how legit a class is or not, ...
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I got me a money makin idea.
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We here on VN gonna start our own Sports University. Only classes gonna be like them over in Carolina an we gonna have classes named "Introduction to Offensive Football" an "Professional Sports Commontaterin' as a Career Choice after Playin' Pro" an give credit hours for attendance in practice and games. We'll get all these $$$$$ from gubermint student loans an athletic donations an make a fortune an tell the NCAA they can stuffit. We gonna play in one o' their D1 conferences an we gonna whoop snot outta the competition cause sports is all we do an alla 5 star boyz gonna wanta play here!
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Sounds good. Now go and get your new school accredited. That's not the NCAA's business

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The NCAA should be looking at it from a graduation standpoint as I talked about before. Each student has to take an average of 12 hrs and maintain a certain GPA. since these are filler classes they boost both of those numbers. in which case UNC would have been playing a bunch of players who should have been academically ineligible.
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Filler class = electives

Every graduate has a transcript full of filler classes electives
 
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LouderVol said:
The NCAA should be looking at it from a graduation standpoint as I talked about before. Each student has to take an average of 12 hrs and maintain a certain GPA. since these are filler classes they boost both of those numbers. in which case UNC would have been playing a bunch of players who should have been academically ineligible.
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That's for the accreditation board to track, not the National Collegiate Athletic Association.
 
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