Under Obama we are to support heroine industry to gain trust of opium farmers

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Jewbaccah

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Don't cry JB, George Soros aka Gyorgy Schwartz will be extremely happy.

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The spirit of '76 will have to be brought to bear to recover from this assault on our country.
 
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I was under the impression that the Taliban only taxed the farmers and were not involved in the actual trade of heroin.
 
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I was under the impression that the Taliban only taxed the farmers and were not involved in the actual trade of heroin.

A recent newspaper article reported that the Taliban took in about $5 million annually charging safe passage for traffic through Pakistan and could pay their fighters about twice what Pakistani soldiers made.

Between you me and the gatepost, I have gotten to the point that I have no faith in the AP anymore, they misreport, distort and spin and at times seem to have more access to the enemy than they do to our own people unless it's someone high up in the Obama administration or some fruitcake NGO.

Here is an item from June, '09.

In the case of the captured Taliban leader opium was recovered. I suspect when cash isn't available, the payoff is made in drugs. I would suspect the Taliban is much more involved in the drug trade than we are led to believe.

After all, the jihadists in the Balkans and the Albanians were heavily involved and suposedly control over 75% of the herion going into western Europe these days.

It's just another facet of their stated goal of conquering western (infidel) civilization, including the US.
 
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U.S. Moves Away From Afghanistan Drug Eradication - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News - FOXNews.com

I mean just wow. So we win a little quicker but help supply the world with a drug that kills young men or turns them into criminals. And makes women into prostitutes.

Oh the Obama days and how they will be remembered. I wish I could just close my eyes and this nightmare be over.:cray: Where are you Reagan we need you.:cray:
Yeah, the War on Drugs has been a smashing success. We need to throw more money at it.
 
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No, I am sure we were just a few more burnt poppy fields away from destroying the global demand for heroine.
 
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So are we to say that because it may take a hundred years to have an official victory that when it is so easy now for us to burn those crops we should not. I mean lets look at it from another angle. I would say that for every crop burned it saves a certain number of lives. So that may just be one life but it may be ten. By eliminating the opportunity for some fool in a moment of weakness to try it or by eliminating some fool who cannot afford it now from using it on women to get them into the prostitution industry.

We had lowered the trade by 19% that is a major blow. If we continued then what? How many lives saved does 19% less heroin translate to?
 
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Don't know, don't care. I have a far bigger problem with conservative douchebags telling people how to live their lives than I do with someone shooting up.

Hat right now those conservative douchebags have no say in our federal system. That is not good enough for you? No one can make you care but I do. And I believe there are many others like me out there. :hi:
 
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Yeah, let's create a shortage. That'll take the profit margin out of the heroin trade.

Surely some tax funded "this is your brain on drugs" egg-frying commercials will keep those little nuances such as supply-and-demand in check.
 
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Don't know, don't care. I have a far bigger problem with conservative douchebags telling people how to live their lives than I do with someone shooting up in my neighborhood.

fixed your liberal post
 
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Don't know, don't care. I have a far bigger problem with conservative douchebags telling people how to live their lives than I do with someone shooting up.

douchbags? i would look in the mirror. if anyone's the douchbag, it's you libs.
 
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I'm indifferent on this one. I can see both sides of this and I'm not sure that you can take a stance one way or another. It's really not our job to burn those fields, it's the Afghan people's responsibility. If they want their country free of drugs, then they need to take up arms against those that they wish to get rid of. Although, if something like an opiate was used against our troops over there, then burn those bitches down. Like I said, I'm indifferent.
 
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I'm indifferent on this one. I can see both sides of this and I'm not sure that you can take a stance one way or another. It's really not our job to burn those fields, it's the Afghan people's responsibility. If they want their country free of drugs, then they need to take up arms against those that they wish to get rid of. Although, if something like an opiate was used against our troops over there, then burn those bitches down. Like I said, I'm indifferent.

Most philosophers, ethicist or theologist would differ. If we were not in the country it would be a different story. But similar to our laws with good samaritans once we took upon the duty we do not get to limit it in this way. The burden is small and the effect of doing nothing is great. I am not proud of this at all as an American. And if anyone here has kids and one day they become a heroin addict maybe you will think different. It seems we all see things differently when it makes it to our backyard.:zeitung_lesen:
 
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fixed your liberal post

technically, his post was more conservative than illegalization, if you are into the buzzwords.


How's that working so far in keeping it out of neighborhoods? Oh, that's right. It's gotten worse.
 
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First, its heroin, not heroine. A heroine is the female version of a hero.

Second, I read the article and didn't see anything in it along the lines that "we are to support the heroine industry." It just says that we are going to spend our time and money blowing up the refining centers rather than burn the fields and that we have determined that burning fields here and there really isn't putting a dent into the drug trade such that it isn't worth the dough we spend on it.

This is why Obama got elected -- because it was time for some thinking leadership to take over. You will note that, so far, Obama has apparently heeded the advice of the military advisers on the substantive issues in Iraq and Afghanistan at every turn, sometimes to the consternation of the left.

I can understand your desire to find something to bitch about with him, but its going to have to be a lot better than this.
 
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This is why Obama got elected -- because it was time for some thinking leadership to take over. You will note that, so far, Obama has apparently heeded the advice of the military advisers on the substantive issues in Iraq and Afghanistan at every turn, sometimes to the consternation of the left.

you mean those same military advisors that the supposed idiot bush put in command?

and please tell me what possible evidence you have that obama thinks? speaking well doesn't count.
 
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First, its heroin, not heroine. A heroine is the female version of a hero.

Second, I read the article and didn't see anything in it along the lines that "we are to support the heroine industry." It just says that we are going to spend our time and money blowing up the refining centers rather than burn the fields and that we have determined that burning fields here and there really isn't putting a dent into the drug trade such that it isn't worth the dough we spend on it.

This is why Obama got elected -- because it was time for some thinking leadership to take over. You will note that, so far, Obama has apparently heeded the advice of the military advisers on the substantive issues in Iraq and Afghanistan at every turn, sometimes to the consternation of the left.

I can understand your desire to find something to bitch about with him, but its going to have to be a lot better than this.[/
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We already touched on the misspell there big man.

You were misleading in your response. Not surprising you are clearly a man and lawyer who has so engrossed himself in sophism that you no longer know what the truth is any more. 19% is a dent big guy. When you are talking about millions to billions 19% is a pretty big dent. And why not do both destroy factories and fields. I mean the article is painting the picture in a certain light. An average joe can see how absurd it is not to just consider doing both.

So you think a commander and chief should just do what military leaders think is moral and correct? Hello Hugo Gator or Kim Jong-Gator

He is a thinking man yet he lets the military do his thinking for him? Again this makes no sense.

And how is that you understand I need to find something to bitch about? I was hoping when he was elected he would not be what I feared. That he would be an effective leader. I am an American. Any American would want someone who is leading are country to do well.

At this point, he must remove himself entirely from the middle east process. He has fallen out of favor with all sides. At least Bush had the support of the Israelis. He has empirically done nothing to help our economy as it continues to slide. Yet, he says wait and it will improve. So we continue to wait. I hope he is made to look good here. No one who is right minded wants the economy to be bad.

He has applauded Putin and basically sided with a sociopath and massmurderer. Now maybe it helps us in the short term with some economic issues. In the long run, Putin will betray us and this puts in an interesting position with countries that counted on us to hold our moral ground.

I do not have the time or patience to make the list, as it has become so long, of all the incompetence and amoral behavior exemplified by this presidency.



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