Understand the diff between high school and college

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I dont think some of you do.
granted there are some freshmen that come right in and contribute and never miss a beat but......

most of the time there is a learning curve and alot of our younger guys are in the process of that curve.
also you mix the juco transfer in who is learning.

College bball as football is played at a different level than high school...Everyone is facing star players from high school now...not 1 player and 4 others if even that in high school.
It is another speed as well.
Keep that in mind combined with the effect of losing West RIGHT BEFORE the season started.

These are things to keep in mind.
To see a thread saying CBP is overrated is RIDICULOUS

I too am disappointed so far this season but I see room for growth and great potential.
 
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yes it is.
and to think that you would agree if you were not the one that posted it is ridiculous.

IT SHOWS YOU HAVE NO CLUE OF WHAT HAPPENS ON THE BASKETBALL COURT.
 
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Yes it is, Bruce has turned the program around. You have so many young players like mentioned before they are learning to play the defense. It's not like high school were they are so far superior talent wise to their opponents, they have to push themselves every trip down the floor. Wait for the defense to gel (might not be this year the way its looking), and this UT team will be the team to beat in coming years.
 
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HATINGBAMAISAWAYOFLIFE said:
yes it is.
and to think that you would agree if you were not the one that posted it is ridiculous.

IT SHOWS YOU HAVE NO CLUE OF WHAT HAPPENS ON THE BASKETBALL COURT.
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I find it amazing that you tell me that I have no clue what happens on a basketball court. Keep telling yourself that caps man. First though, I want you to explain how Jodie Meeks, Dionte Christmas, Renfro, etc. having career days against Tennessee is proof that Bruce Pearl is worthy of all the praise that has been bestowed on him. I can admit that I was wrong, why can't you?
 
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HawgVol said:
Yes it is, Bruce has turned the program around. You have so many young players like mentioned before they are learning to play the defense. It's not like high school were they are so far superior talent wise to their opponents, they have to push themselves every trip down the floor. Wait for the defense to gel (might not be this year the way its looking), and this UT team will be the team to beat in coming years.
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Seriously, what have you seen to make you think the guys on this team will learn how to play defense? I think it is pretty obvious that they don't care right now. Maybe this was their kick in the ass, but I wouldn't count on it.
 
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I have seen a coach looking very frustrated on the sidelines but understanding the growth needed for freshmen to produce and learn the game from high school to college...they had much down time in high school as they were all that and I would venture to say they never had to guard anyone cause they were the ones that had to be shut down.
Scotty will be fine when he goes back to his game and attacks the rim.
Maze has shown flashes of being a true pt guard that can make everyone else around him better and yet score when we have to get a score.
Wool...nada.
Negedu...tons of potential.

the fight back in the UGA game showed me a lot..they couldve quit....i think we were fighting back in to the ky game until chism yet again mind numbing 3 pt brick.
If JP would play all game like he does in 2 or 3 minute spurts that would help and once someone finds their outside rythm continuously we will be ok.

The chaos on d must come back so bruce can run controlled chaos...
so yes...bashing bruce at this point is ludicrous at best...

i got an idea...You try to do better.
 
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Understand the difference between D1 and the Rocky Top League......
 
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There are certainly fans going overboard. Pearl can coach and deserves time to adjust and correct his teams problems. But the OP'er said that its ridiculous to call Pearl overrated. I dont agree with that statement. Being overrated does not mean one is bad. He improved UT so fast and got the program up so far that many fans got too lofty with their opinions of him. That is the definition of being overrated. He is a good coach. But some fans were thinking he could walk on water.
 
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HATINGBAMAISAWAYOFLIFE said:
I have seen a coach looking very frustrated on the sidelines but understanding the growth needed for freshmen to produce and learn the game from high school to college...they had much down time in high school as they were all that and I would venture to say they never had to guard anyone cause they were the ones that had to be shut down.
Scotty will be fine when he goes back to his game and attacks the rim.
Maze has shown flashes of being a true pt guard that can make everyone else around him better and yet score when we have to get a score.
Wool...nada.
Negedu...tons of potential.

the fight back in the UGA game showed me a lot..they couldve quit....i think we were fighting back in to the ky game until chism yet again mind numbing 3 pt brick.
If JP would play all game like he does in 2 or 3 minute spurts that would help and once someone finds their outside rythm continuously we will be ok.

The chaos on d must come back so bruce can run controlled chaos...
so yes...bashing bruce at this point is ludicrous at best...

i got an idea...You try to do better.
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I didn't bash him, my only claim has been that he is not the messiah. He also needs to get off his ass, forget the PR crap and get this team to play some defense. There's my idea, if you don't like it then perhaps you should stick to having no idea about football instead of football and basketball.
 
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Emainvol...dude who annointed you mr know it all.

first off Pearl is building a program> >>>>> he has to do the PR stuff because whether you or anyone else likes it or not Tennessee has never been a Men's basketball school.....
Pearl has to make a name for UT Men's basketball and that is what he is doing...
To win with his philosophy we have to be able to go 12 deep and we cannot right now.....I see baby steps from the team in different ways each game.
I am sure from your extensive time spent on your xbox 360 playing basketball you think you know it all and since you have no life and 8 zillion posts you think your opinion is wonderful.......Dude it's not.
CBP is one of the top coaches in his profession. I wonder if the Duke fans ripped Coach K when his team lost 5 games or if Kansas does that or if N Car fans tried to run Dean Smith out of town after 8 losses by mid January,,,,,,,NO>..

With the exception of moronic Kentucky fans and idiotic Alabama football fans...fans of most teams have sense.
IT TAKES TIME TO BUILD A GREAT TRADITION AND THAT IS WHAT BRUCE IS DOING.
And you will have your ups and downs and the most difficult transition for 99.99% of players is their freshman year where most of our problem lies.
Tyler and Chism do not have the benefit of an outside game right now and it hurts them on offense...They have to work extra hard on D and it limits them on O.
Also our young guards who I GUARANTEE YOU, did not have to play Defense in high school are having at minimum 4 years of bad habits broken and it takes time.
 
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I don't care what Bruce Pearl is attempting to do, you simply cannot make any excuses for the defensive play so far this season. He can do all the damn PR he wants when Tennessee stops giving up 25+ to any decent guard they face.

Your decision to make reference to my post count and an Xbox 360 game that I don't even own tells us all everything we need to know about your opinion. Now go play in the recruiting forum with the rest of the children.
 
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How can you blame CBP for the way the defense has played this season? You could say, "He is the coach." You could say, "It's his scheme." Listen, Meeks is one hell of a player, maybe the best we have seen at Kentucky in quite some time, and maybe since Mashburn. Christmas is averaging 21.3 PPG. And since these guys play the guard position, maybe it's just lack of defensive skill at our guard position. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see UT win every basketball game this year, but what I really want to happen is for us to show up in The Tournament when it counts. When it comes to CBP being "the Messiah," I would have to say he is the closest thing we could ask for since we are talking about TENNESSEE BASKETBALL. We had a home winning streak in the 30's, fans excited about basketball for the first time ever, and we were #1 last year, albeit briefly. I think the guys need time to adjust after losing Lofton, JaJuan Smith, Remar Smith, Duke Crews, and (cough) Jordan Howell. Someone will step up and fill the shoes before years end. I am not worried in the least.

P.S. Emain, I don't understand your criticism, seeing that you've never played the game, and the only knowledge you have of the game is from the world wide web and TV. I love you dude, but c'mon. I hate seeing you try and bash everyone on here every time they have an opinion. Yours isn't always right, my friend.
 
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i guess emain failed to read this part of the post.

Also our young guards who I GUARANTEE YOU, did not have to play Defense in high school are having at minimum 4 years of bad habits broken and it takes time.
 
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P.S. Emain, I don't understand your criticism, seeing that you've never played the game, and the only knowledge you have of the game is from the world wide web and TV


THAT EXPLAINS A WHOLE LOT...
 
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HATINGBAMAISAWAYOFLIFE said:
i guess emain failed to read this part of the post.

Also our young guards who I GUARANTEE YOU, did not have to play Defense in high school are having at minimum 4 years of bad habits broken and it takes time.
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If they didn't play defense in high school, it falls on Bruce for recruiting guys from horse crap high school programs. Don't see coaches recruiting guys from the St. Anthony's. St. Benedict's, and Oak Hills of the world spending much time teaching remedial defense.
 
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HATINGBAMAISAWAYOFLIFE said:
i guess emain failed to read this part of the post.

Also our young guards who I GUARANTEE YOU, did not have to play Defense in high school are having at minimum 4 years of bad habits broken and it takes time.
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Bobby Maze is three years removed from high school. Cam Tatum was here last year.
 
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orangetanker11 said:
P.S. Emain, I don't understand your criticism, seeing that you've never played the game, and the only knowledge you have of the game is from the world wide web and TV. I love you dude, but c'mon. I hate seeing you try and bash everyone on here every time they have an opinion. Yours isn't always right, my friend.
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This is not meant as an insult or to be an @$$, but you do criticize everyone on here for their opinion. You know a lot about everything, which is true, but just don't bash other people.
 
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orangetanker11 said:
This is not meant as an insult or to be an @$$, but you do criticize everyone on here for their opinion. You know a lot about everything, which is true, but just don't bash other people.
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It's cool, I understand where you are coming from. I just don't like it when people tell me I have no clue about basketball because I am not slurping Bruce. I am glad that Tennessee found a coach that could turn the program around, but all I am saying is that he needs to get this team to focus and try. Nothing I have seen shows evidence of either, and, unfortunately, that has a lot to do with coaching.
 
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emainvol said:
It's cool, I understand where you are coming from. I just don't like it when people tell me I have no clue about basketball because I am not slurping Bruce. I am glad that Tennessee found a coach that could turn the program around, but all I am saying is that he needs to get this team to focus and try. Nothing I have seen shows evidence of either, and, unfortunately, that has a lot to do with coaching.
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I don't slurp Bruce either, don't get me wrong, but I don't think there is another coach out there that I would want coaching our team. I don't see how you can say the team isn't trying. It can't be the Kentucky game, we fought back in that game, just to have a dagger stabbed through our hearts by Meeks. There is nothing anyone could have done to shut him down that night, he was on fire from everywhere, even with guys in his face. CBP is doing a fine job.
 
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orangetanker11 said:
I don't slurp Bruce either, don't get me wrong, but I don't think there is another coach out there that I would want coaching our team. I don't see how you can say the team isn't trying. It can't be the Kentucky game, we fought back in that game, just to have a dagger stabbed through our hearts by Meeks. There is nothing anyone could have done to shut him down that night, he was on fire from everywhere, even with guys in his face. CBP is doing a fine job.
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Honestly, I think its somewhere in the middle. Bruce is not the messiah and not a horrible coach either. He's a good coach having a tough year. And if we're gonna praise the guy for the good, it's OK to criticize for the bad - and the defensive play has been bad to say the least.
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But maybe this will be the year we will underachieve in reg season and overachieve in tourney play instead of the opposite which has been the trend under CBP.
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