Uneven: College Baseball Scholarship Issue

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This is part of the reason I didn’t pursue a collegiate baseball career. I was offered a partial scholarship after my senior year of high school but I knew I wasn’t going to be able to cover the rest. Honestly 85 scholarships for football is still too much. They should knock it down another 10 to get to 75. It would help football and other collegiate sports. There would be more parity in football while the other sports can continue to grow.
 
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When scholarships were cut from 105 to 95 in 1978, former USC coach John McKay reputedly said, “Mark this day on your calendar. This day is the ruin of college football. It will only go downhill from here.”

Scholarships were reduced from 95 to 85 between 1992 and 1994. In 1993, Florida State coach Bobby Bowden said, “They’re just going to water it down until it can’t compete with the pros for the attention and dollars. They’re just going to produce an inferior product.”

“They could probably get away with 75–80 (scholarships),” said Steve Spurrier, former University of Florida coach and now coach of the Washington Redskins. “Seventy-five, I think would be a minimum. There are so many players on football scholarships at every college that never play. They’re just sort of there helping practice out and so forth.”

Sorry McKay and Bowden, but College Football has never been more popular and is flourishing while other sports are still struggling.
 
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VolPack22 said:
This is part of the reason I didn’t pursue a collegiate baseball career. I was offered a partial scholarship after my senior year of high school but I knew I wasn’t going to be able to cover the rest. Honestly 85 scholarships for football is still too much. They should knock it down another 10 to get to 75. It would help football and other collegiate sports. There would be more parity in football while the other sports can continue to grow.
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The argument about parity in football is a whole other issue, but there simply is no female equivalent to football. Title IX is just broken as long as it is applied in a manner that doesn’t account for that somehow.
 
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I think most of us know about the disparity in college baseball scholarships in general but I admit I didn't know why. This truly is a must see for every college baseball fan. Well worth the time.
 
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My son's college coach, who has 4 daughters, gave a speech about the scholarship inequities in college baseball saying: "If you want to play college baseball, we have 11.7 scholarships available. But, if you are a woman and want to row a boat, we have 12 scholarships available to you. It doesn't matter if you have never rowed a boat before."
 
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LAVol1 said:
My son's college coach, who has 4 daughters, gave a speech about the scholarship inequities in college baseball saying: "If you want to play college baseball, we have 11.7 scholarships available. But, if you are a woman and want to row a boat, we have 12 scholarships available to you. It doesn't matter if you have never rowed a boat before."
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Baseball…and softball…should have 15-16 scholarships. It is ridiculous IMO that sports that field 10 players (counting the DH) only have 12 scholarships.
 
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It kind of makes the current situation of trans faux-women competing in women's sports a little more palatable.

Simply put, there is a more of a sports culture with men and more men play sports than women. Even after 50 years of Title IX; the gap remains very wide as many colleges are begging for women to take their scholarships.

Pat Summit rarely used all her available scholarships as women ball gets more schollies than men as there were simply not enough talent to play at UT than there were scholarships.

Having equal scholarships as men does not make women more like men. I know several girls who received rowing scholarships at schools who never touched an oar in their life.
The rich parents who got their kids into schools like USC did so by paying off the women's program coaches who had all sorts of extras they could sell.
 
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Will college baseball coaches get more than 11.3 scholarships to work with in the future?
 
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EZE said:
Baseball…and softball…should have 15-16 scholarships. It is ridiculous IMO that sports that field 10 players (counting the DH) only have 12 scholarships.
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Baseball needs more than 16. You have to have 5 healthy starting pitchers and need at least 7 guys in the bullpen or you start causing arm injuries due to overuse. Most freshmen need at least a year to get competitive with older players. Why does football, with only 22 starters, and only 12 scheduled games need 80 scholarships and baseball with over 50 games need only 16?
 
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LAVol1 said:
Baseball needs more than 16. You have to have 5 healthy starting pitchers and need at least 7 guys in the bullpen or you start causing arm injuries due to overuse. Most freshmen need at least a year to get competitive with older players. Why does football, with only 22 starters, and only 12 scheduled games need 80 scholarships and baseball with over 50 games need only 16?
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$$$. Sorry to be so cynical.😉
 
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LAVol1 said:
Baseball needs more than 16. You have to have 5 healthy starting pitchers and need at least 7 guys in the bullpen or you start causing arm injuries due to overuse. Most freshmen need at least a year to get competitive with older players. Why does football, with only 22 starters, and only 12 scheduled games need 80 scholarships and baseball with over 50 games need only 16?
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Baby steps.
I'll take 15-16 in a heartbeat.
With the number of Div. 1 schools that would be a marked improvement. Especially now that quality guys know they'll get more exposure at mid major programs than sitting on bench at the big shools.

HOWEVER! Not only should there be a scholarship ceiling, the NCAA should mandate all schools that consider themselves to be Div. 1 must have a minimum of 13 scholarships. If you can't fund 13 scholarships, then you shouldn't be wasting everyone's time in division 1. The Ivy League schools - who technically don't offer athletic scholarships will really have to but the bullet.
 
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LAVol1 said:
Baseball needs more than 16. You have to have 5 healthy starting pitchers and need at least 7 guys in the bullpen or you start causing arm injuries due to overuse. Most freshmen need at least a year to get competitive with older players. Why does football, with only 22 starters, and only 12 scheduled games need 80 scholarships and baseball with over 50 games need only 16?
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Not only should there be a scholarship ceiling, the NCAA should mandate all schools that consider themselves to be Div. 1 must have a minimum of 13 scholarships. If you can't fund 13 scholarships, then you shouldn't be wasting everyone's time in division 1. The Ivy League schools - who technically don't offer athletic scholarships will really have to but the bullet.
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I can agree with all of this…except I would go further and put the ceiling for baseball at 18 given the pitcher situation (that is a good point) and 16 for softball (18 if Title IX is an issue)…and the floor at 15 for each sport.

Ivy League schools probably best fit with the other high-academic DIII schools like MIT and UChicago, anyhow. But, I’d be okay with an Grandfather exemption for that conference only. And, if so, it should be that a school offers either 0 or at least 15 to be DI…no in-betweens.
 
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In state players with good grades and a solid ACT score can practically go to UT free as it stands now. There are all kinds of academic based scholarships, plus the lottery scholarship, plus whatever money they get from the baseball program. I It all adds up very quickly. Out of state recruits? Different story. But I assume they know what they are getting into before signing at UT.

Don't believe me? Find a kid who has made above a 30 on the ACT and ask how much he is paying to attend UT. He is probably actually putting money in the bank every semester because his aid is more than his expenses.

There is no doubt that the NCAA needs to increase baseball scholarships but there are ways to drastically decrease student debt. And it revolves around academics.
 
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If he is an instate player he is probably getting no money from UT to play baseball. Very few, other than studs, get baseball money who go to instate schools. Even after scholarships, most out of state kids, who are mostly getting instate tuition, still leave owing $60-75,000. Remember that out of state students which is usually about 1/2 of the starters on every P5 team are not eligible for academic scholarships at universities. So the increase in scholarships is to help the out of state players. The goal should be that between NIL and scholarships, players would at least go free and not owe all the money they will after helping a team win. Of last year's main contributors at UT on the mound and in the field, it was 12 out of state players and 9 in state players. The next two were also out of state players. I will agree that if an instate player has decent grades they should go free with academics and lottery. Out of state will not go free unless they can get great NIL deals.
 
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"Out of state recruits? Different story. But I assume they know what they are getting into before signing at UT."

It is a choice is it not? An out of state player could choose to play in his home state and pay far less money than going out of state, As already stated, they could very realistically graduate debt free Or they could CHOOSE to go out of state and owe considerable money upon graduation.

The goal should be a degree.
 
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DukeDaisySam said:
In state players with good grades and a solid ACT score can practically go to UT free as it stands now. There are all kinds of academic based scholarships, plus the lottery scholarship, plus whatever money they get from the baseball program. I It all adds up very quickly. Out of state recruits? Different story. But I assume they know what they are getting into before signing at UT.

Don't believe me? Find a kid who has made above a 30 on the ACT and ask how much he is paying to attend UT. He is probably actually putting money in the bank every semester because his aid is more than his expenses.

There is no doubt that the NCAA needs to increase baseball scholarships but there are ways to drastically decrease student debt. And it revolves around academics.
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Trust me, UTK screws the in-state kids and throw their academic money at out-of-state kids in recruiting. UT expect the in-state kids to give them a "free agent discount".

Tennessee kids with great grades and tests get far better "deals" from out-of-state public universities. Especially Alabama whose in-state high school kids can barely read and they need to get out-of-state kids to keep their rankings up. The out-of-state schools normally waive out-of-state tuition for quality students
 
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drylo said:
The argument about parity in football is a whole other issue, but there simply is no female equivalent to football. Title IX is just broken as long as it is applied in a manner that doesn’t account for that somehow.
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Clearly you don’t follow rowing.
 
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VolPack22 said:
This is part of the reason I didn’t pursue a collegiate baseball career. I was offered a partial scholarship after my senior year of high school but I knew I wasn’t going to be able to cover the rest. Honestly 85 scholarships for football is still too much. They should knock it down another 10 to get to 75. It would help football and other collegiate sports. There would be more parity in football while the other sports can continue to grow.
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There's simply no need to do that now that we have the NIL. It's not adding to the title IX garbage either.
 
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