UT basketball makes Forbes top 20

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We're getting a pretty terrible return for our value. But this does debunk the bad fanbase b.s that has been thrown about so much lately. We're one of the few in the SEC who actually give a damn.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
We're getting a pretty terrible return for our value. But this does debunk the bad fanbase b.s that has been thrown about so much lately. We're one of the few in the SEC who actually give a damn.
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They're getting back more than they're putting in.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
We're getting a pretty terrible return for our value. But this does debunk the bad fanbase b.s that has been thrown about so much lately. We're one of the few in the SEC who actually give a damn.
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Kentucky, Missouri, Arkansas, Tennessee, and Florida are the only fanbases I think truly care about basketball, and Florida only because they're good.

I used to put Vandy on that list but they haven't displayed a passion for basketball since Eddie Fogler was there over 20 years ago. And LSU has history and can care but they haven't in a good while and didn't really even seem to get that passionate when they made the Final Four in 2006 and just won the SEC 5 years ago.

The rest seem like they couldn't care less.
 
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So this pretty much flies in the face of the argument that we can't afford the financial implications of keeping Cuonzo one more year.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Kentucky, Missouri, Arkansas, Tennessee, and Florida are the only fanbases I think truly care about basketball, and Florida only because they're good.

I used to put Vandy on that list but they haven't displayed a passion for basketball since Eddie Fogler was there over 20 years ago. And LSU has history and can care but they haven't in a good while and didn't really even seem to get that passionate when they made the Final Four in 2006 and just won the SEC 5 years ago.

The rest seem like they couldn't care less.
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Barely at that. They're spoiled and take their team for granted. Kind of like Ohio St. A football school that only cares when their team is a favorite for a final 4. Outside of that there's little interest.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
It also blows up the assertion that we couldn't afford a buy out.
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I've only seen a handful of people use that as an excuse to keep him.

The more logical reason is that you typically don't fire a coach in his 3rd season with a +.600 record who has improved each year and just made the NCAA tournament.
 
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golfballs said:
Barely at that. They're spoiled and take their team for granted. Kind of like Ohio St. A football school that only cares when their team is a favorite for a final 4. Outside of that there's little interest.
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Yep, they even have articles in Orlando basically calling out Florida fans if they don't sell out the place for Florida, being the overall #1 seed and all. Also said if they don't sell it out, Donovan should leave and go where he'd be more appreciated.
 
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golfballs said:
I've only seen a handful of people use that as an excuse to keep him.

The more logical reason is that you typically don't fire a coach in his 3rd season with a +.600 record who has improved each year and just made the NCAA tournament.
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You do when there are other circumstances. The argument for keeping Zo is what he's done in 5 of the last 6 games. The argument against keeping him is what he's done in recruiting, and on the court the past 3 seasons. It's the state of the program, not the state of the team this week.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
You do when there are other circumstances. The argument for keeping Zo is what he's done in 5 of the last 6 games. The argument against keeping him is what he's done in recruiting, and on the court the past 3 seasons. It's the state of the program, not the state of the team this week.
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Wtf are you talking about? What other circumstances? I just stated his record (which is the most meaningful and representative of his entire time here not just the last 5 games). The program is clearly in a healthy financial state. Has he done something else, like broken NCAA violations? Embarrassed the university in some way?
 
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golfballs said:
I've only seen a handful of people use that as an excuse to keep him.

The more logical reason is that you typically don't fire a coach in his 3rd season with a +.600 record who has improved each year and just made the NCAA tournament.
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And that's where the disconnect is
 
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golfballs said:
Wtf are you talking about? What other circumstances? I just stated his record (which is the most meaningful and representative of his entire time here not just the last 5 games). The program is clearly in a healthy financial state. Has he done something else, like broken NCAA violations? Embarrassed the university in some way?
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Recruiting. The fact that we're unlikely to have a roster on par with this one for the foreseeable future. The fact that if we keep him, we have to raise/extend him. The fact that this will lead to a bigger buyout.

There are other things to look at than this 5 game hot streak that pulled him out of the coaching grave yard and put him on life support. After losing 3 of 4 games including another stinker to Texas A&M last month even his most ardent supporters believed he had to go. You think next year is going to be better?

As an AD you have to look at 2-3-4 years down the road. Not 2-3-4 days down the road.
 
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Really and truly it all boils down to expectations that aren't being met. This team had talent inside and out. Some of the best talent we have had in a long time, and we barely scrape into the tournament by a "play in" game. Inconsitentcy is a huge problem. Player or coach takes the axe. College sports players can't get fired. So who's left for the axe to fall on. We've seen the other side again recently where we are a team in spotlight. Getting talent and winning games and climbing the polls. I'm not okay with mediocrity. Who else would I want to coach? I don't know. Sure pearl would have been nice. But not happening. There has to be someone out there who can do something more than CCM. There's enough talent to be recruited next year that could turn this program around. Just have to pay CCM to leave for 1 yr and someone else to do it. JMO
 
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golfballs said:
Wtf are you talking about? What other circumstances? I just stated his record (which is the most meaningful and representative of his entire time here not just the last 5 games). The program is clearly in a healthy financial state. Has he done something else, like broken NCAA violations? Embarrassed the university in some way?
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I agree 100% Do I wish we still had BP, YES!!! but we don't and so many people on here act like big time coaches were beating down our doors to come here. Look at our history of basketball hires...

Don Devoe - Came to Tennessee after stints at hoops power houses Va Tech and Wyoming.

Wade Houston - Was an assistant under Crum at Louisville, his biggest accomplishment before then was his son could flat out play.

Jerry Green - came to us via Oregon where he had made 1 NCAA tournament and 1 NIT, took Vols to 4 straight NCAA appearances and was run off

Kevin O'Neil - Had been a head coach twice prior to Tennessee. Marycrest and North County Community College

Buzz Peterson - Was Michael Jordan's friend and has basically been fired at every job he's had.

Bruce Pearl - Mid Major coach won a National Championship at the D2 level, proven winner and by far the best Tennessee coach in the last 30 years.

Cuonzo Martin - Played at Purdue, coached at a mid major before taking the Tennessee job.

So basically other than Jerry Green, not 1 coach has left a major division 1 program to come to Tennesse and other than Pearl Green was the only other coach who had consistent success at Tennessee.

So if we fire Cuonzo Martin please name me that coach who will leave there current big time job and come to Tennessee??? Unfortunately we are stuck hiring mid major coaches until our reputation becomes that of Kansas, Duke, UNC, etc
 
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CookieVol said:
Really and truly it all boils down to MY expectations that aren't being met. This team had talent inside and out. Some of the best talent we have had in a long time, and we barely scrape into the tournament by a "play in" game. Inconsitentcy is a huge problem. Player or coach takes the axe. College sports players can't get fired. So who's left for the axe to fall on. We've seen the other side again recently where we are a team in spotlight. Getting talent and winning games and climbing the polls. I'm not okay with mediocrity. Who else would I want to coach? I don't know. Sure pearl would have been nice. But not happening. There has to be someone out there who can do something more than CCM. There's enough talent to be recruited next year that could turn this program around. Just have to pay CCM to leave for 1 yr and someone else to do it. JMO
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FYP

makes the rest of your post moot
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Recruiting. The fact that we're unlikely to have a roster on par with this one for the foreseeable future. The fact that if we keep him, we have to raise/extend him. The fact that this will lead to a bigger buyout.

There are other things to look at than this 5 game hot streak that pulled him out of the coaching grave yard and put him on life support. After losing 3 of 4 games including another stinker to Texas A&M last month even his most ardent supporters believed he had to go. You think next year is going to be better?

As an AD you have to look at 2-3-4 years down the road. Not 2-3-4 days down the road.
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Um, you are grasping. In the end, it's not his recruiting classes that really matter, it's his record. You can prognosticate all you want, but like I posted earlier, his actual record isn't one that a program like Tennessee fires someone for after 3 years.
 
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Sin City Vol said:
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Kevin O'Neil - Had been a head coach twice prior to Tennessee. Marycrest and North County Community College

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So basically other than Jerry Green, not 1 coach has left a major division 1 program to come to Tennesse and other than Pearl Green was the only other coach who had consistent success at Tennessee.

So if we fire Cuonzo Martin please name me that coach who will leave there current big time job and come to Tennessee??? Unfortunately we are stuck hiring mid major coaches until our reputation becomes that of Kansas, Duke, UNC, etc
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O'Neill had just won 24 while taking Marquette to the sweet 16.
 
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Sin City Vol said:
I agree 100% Do I wish we still had BP, YES!!! but we don't and so many people on here act like big time coaches were beating down our doors to come here. Look at our history of basketball hires...

Don Devoe - Came to Tennessee after stints at hoops power houses Va Tech and Wyoming.

Wade Houston - Was an assistant under Crum at Louisville, his biggest accomplishment before then was his son could flat out play.

Jerry Green - came to us via Oregon where he had made 1 NCAA tournament and 1 NIT, took Vols to 4 straight NCAA appearances and was run off

Kevin O'Neil - Had been a head coach twice prior to Tennessee. Marycrest and North County Community College

Buzz Peterson - Was Michael Jordan's friend and has basically been fired at every job he's had.

Bruce Pearl - Mid Major coach won a National Championship at the D2 level, proven winner and by far the best Tennessee coach in the last 30 years.

Cuonzo Martin - Played at Purdue, coached at a mid major before taking the Tennessee job.

So basically other than Jerry Green, not 1 coach has left a major division 1 program to come to Tennesse and other than Pearl Green was the only other coach who had consistent success at Tennessee.

So if we fire Cuonzo Martin please name me that coach who will leave there current big time job and come to Tennessee??? Unfortunately we are stuck hiring mid major coaches until our reputation becomes that of Kansas, Duke, UNC, etc
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Find someone. That's the job.
 
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golfballs said:
FYP

makes the rest of your post moot
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Then why hasn't it happened in the past three years. Or why hasn't CCM coached the talent he has had to be better or at least more consistent. Take that back. They have been consistently, inconsistent.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
You do when there are other circumstances. The argument for keeping Zo is what he's done in 5 of the last 6 games. The argument against keeping him is what he's done in recruiting, and on the court the past 3 seasons. It's the state of the program, not the state of the team this week.
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And again I'll say: this year's record (you know, the entire season) is better than 2 of Pearl's 3 post-Lofton years.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
You do when there are other circumstances. The argument for keeping Zo is what he's done in 5 of the last 6 games. The argument against keeping him is what he's done in recruiting, and on the court the past 3 seasons. It's the state of the program, not the state of the team this week.
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Dont see where he's done anything wrong as far as on court results. He's improved every year. Does recruiting need to get better? It's got room for improvment for sure. It needs to be consistently good so we'll always be relatively deep. Cuonzo is learning OTJ folks. Pearl's show cause is half the total years Cuonzo has been a HC.
 
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