Vaccine or not?

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Vol8188 said:
That's his style. He spent about an hour last night running from the fact that he supports the vaccine mandates for employees of companies with over 100 by just repeating "I do not support FORCED vaccinations" without ever mentioning the fact that he does not consider this to be a form of force.
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Septic said:
Dude, stop making up arguments for people. You're simply terrible at formulating arguments that don't rely on complete misrepresentation and deflection.

It's no ones fault but your own that you can't grasp the concept of "forced" implying compulsory and mandatory versus the choice not to get the vaccine, which is the reality.
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Can you state what about my claim above was a misrepresentation? You are hiding behind this repeated phrase because you are ashamed to admit you support the mandate, correct? What am I missing?
 
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davethevol said:
I mentioned this before, but unless the homeschool is setup under a private or religious institution, the kids will be required to get any vaccines the county schools require and submit proof to the local school system.
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Again, that may vary from one jurisdiction to another (one state to another or one county to another).

I'm not sure that is a universal rule.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
there’s a plethora of homeschool programs that will do.
And good luck on enforcement. They can’t run the day to day at the school. Much less have time to play Karen.
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Hypothetically (assuming they did have the time and resources), who would be responsible for coming out to enforce it?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You mean in Tennessee? Interesting...
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Yep. Lots (I would wager at least a thousand parents) have been looking into it in Knox County since the mask mandate was issued. The schools have been mostly difficult in granting releases to the new homeschool/private schools. The county is going to lose out on a ton of funding, enough to where it’s noticeable.
 
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davethevol said:
Yep. Lots (I would wager at least a thousand parents) have been looking into it in Knox County since the mask mandate was issued. The schools have been mostly difficult in granting releases to the new homeschool/private schools. The county is going to lose out on a ton of funding, enough to where it’s noticeable.
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Well, looks like the parents need to just become lawbreakers and ignore the vaccine requirements somehow.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Well, looks like the parents need to just become lawbreakers and ignore the vaccine requirements somehow.
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They’re trying without getting principles and teachers in trouble. SPEAK and KCSPass have been taking photos of teachers and students (and parents) without masks on and compiling a list to send to he judge in hopes of getting people jail time. They’ve done this both outside and inside the schools. I’d wager most principles and teachers are against the mandates, but they are caught in the middle.

I’m also now sure that one or two school board members helped with this lawsuit getting traction. The local “advocate” with zero ties to the school system mentioned a few months ago that the numbers from central office indicated only a handful of children needed to opt out based on numbers from the previous year. That’s info this lady wouldn’t have access to with school board members, and probably borderline illegal. Again, this whole thing is a criminal conspiracy against the parents of Knox County.
 
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So here’s an interesting anecdotal story for you all.
3 people:
1. Vaccine and booster
2. Vaccine no booster
3. No vaccine but had the original strain of the virus

All 3 got Covid about the same time late last week, all 3 had similar symptoms and all 3 seem to be about on the same track of recovery. None are fully recovered yet so if something changes I’ll update the story.
 
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utvolpj said:
I don't remember but he posted several and also about his wife having issues

My wife had genetic issues because of substances put into her father that the US govt/military said was safe. Those caused our journey to have kids to much more difficult. My children also have these genetic issues and it's very possible their kids will as well. Sorry but I'm not going to double down on the chances they can't produce children just because the govt said it was safe.
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Correct.

We were told the shots/mRNA stay where they are put and that spike wouldn't circulate or affect other organs.

Now, there is an established risk of myocardial damage and an unknown effect on the ovaries causing reproductive changes. The ovarian effects are consistent with those seen in laboratory mice.

So, do we take the "experts'" prediction that they won't have lasting effects on fertility, heart muscle, (brain, autoimmune, malignancy risks???), or would we like to figure out what is actually happening, first, before injecting young women before and during puberty?
 
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Septic said:
Dude, stop making up arguments for people. You're simply terrible at formulating arguments that don't rely on complete misrepresentation and deflection.

It's no ones fault but your own that you can't grasp the concept of "forced" implying compulsory and mandatory versus the choice not to get the vaccine, which is the reality.
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you're quibbling with words. I don't know what kind of calvanistic based moralism you're using here, but for many people this DOES = coercion.
 
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I remember reading how the little clowns acting in favor of oppressing and tyrannizing their fellow citizens were dragged out into the streets and beaten to a pulp (Romans) or tarred and feathered (Americans). Maybe we ought to return to that.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Correct.

We were told the shots/mRNA stay where they are put and that spike wouldn't circulate or affect other organs.

Now, there is an established risk of myocardial damage and an unknown effect on the ovaries causing reproductive changes. The ovarian effects are consistent with those seen in laboratory mice.

So, do we take the "experts'" prediction that they won't have lasting effects on fertility, heart muscle, (brain, autoimmune, malignancy risks???), or would we like to figure out what is actually happening, first, before injecting young women before and during puberty?
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The unknown with the MRNA shot is the exact reason my wife and I got the J&J.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Can you state what about my claim above was a misrepresentation? You are hiding behind this repeated phrase because you are ashamed to admit you support the mandate, correct? What am I missing?
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I don't support a requirement of vaccination. I also recognize that people should be prepared to live with the ramifications of choosing to not get vaccinated if faced with that requirement.

What's so difficult to grasp here?
 
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Septic said:
I don't support a requirement of vaccination. I also recognize that people should be prepared to live with the ramifications of choosing to not get vaccinated if faced with that requirement.

What's so difficult to grasp here?
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If an employer requires it fine, but the Fed's shouldn't have a say in it.
 
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utvolpj said:
That's the ultimate plan and what is being decided
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You're usually more pragmatic than this. Are you falling into this fear mongering dichotomy of not being able to feed your family and forced abortions too?
 
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Septic said:
I don't support a requirement of vaccination. I also recognize that people should be prepared to live with the ramifications of choosing to not get vaccinated if faced with that requirement.

What's so difficult to grasp here?
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Because it is being applied in an unbalanced manner.

I'll bet you can't make a good argument that this is about health. You might have a year ago, but sure as hell can't now. But I'll listen to what you got.
 
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