Value Added Tax Coming Soon?

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vols4sure

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I have seen a couple commentators mention that they believe a value added tax is inevitable especially after the passage of the healthcare bill. Thoughts?

Especially interested in those that are in favor of the healthcare bill. Would you still be for it if you knew a value added tax would have to be imposed to pay for it?
 
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I've heard the same rumors. In fact, the treasury has been pushing this idea around for the past 30 years. A VAT is a consumption tax just like a sales tax. I'm for a flat sales tax instead of the income tax so I would definitely support a VAT for the same. The main difference between a sales and a VAT tax is that in a VAT tax you don't see the amount of the tax at the point of sale like you do in a typical sales tax. A VAT simply results in price increases to the extent of the tax. A lot of people get hung up on this idea, but I don't think it is that big of an issue for two reasons. First, you know the flat rate so even if you don't see it posted on the price of your cereal, you know you are paying that amount of tax on your Wheaties. Second, it is not like the income tax is any better. Very few people know their marginal tax rate until long after they have earned the income in question. Even despite this arguable shortcoming, I still think a flat consumption tax is much better than an income tax (i.e., it doesn't tax savings or investments so it reduces the current disincentives that result in lower overall productivity).

However, I am not for a VAT that merely supplements tax collection methods. So basically, while I would be in favor of a VAT to supplant the income tax, I would not be in favor of one to supplement it. [I guess I went through all that typing just to say I don't support it. Hah!

EDIT: I just want to note, that a lot of people are likely going to be against me and write this off because Pelosi recently suggested it, but a consumption tax is a very conservative idea (i.e., if used to supplant the income tax, it would remove the progressive rate structure from taxation).
 
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I'm all for a consumption tax, whether its a VAT or sales tax, to replace the income tax. Sadly the Dems want a VAT on top of an income tax. So much for the promise that families making under 250K wont see an increase in taxes. Oh wait that promise was broken 6 months ago.
 
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All taxes are like sitting on tacks, it's going to hurt your butt no matter how much you squirm.

An interesting tax measure introduced to congress for at least fifteen years was the transfer of monies tax, under that system all money transfers of over $10,000 would be taxed at the rate of 0.005% and the money collected would be more than all income taxes and sales taxes combined.

We need to do something and we need to do it right away, like this year when we vote out a bunch of numbskulls but hopefully vote in some people with a brain and some integrity.

Government is supposed to be the servant of the people, not their master.

That is the sort of thing we need to consider rather than divide and conquer issues like liberal or conserative, left or right, democrat or republican which are used against us but elect people who will represent our best interests.

All is not lost, we still have time to act intelligently.

Another thing is that we need to thoroughly examine the tax free foundations that are really running this country and quit giving them a by.

A start is the 'federal reserve transparency act of 2009' which had a majority of congressmen backing it but was killed in committee so that it never saw the light of day.

As one special interest group that has been quite successful in America for over a hundred years tells it's supporters; "politics is not a spectator sport, participate."

And when you consider a candidate, ask him or his support group specific questions about what he stands for and if he doesn't support the federal reserve transparancy act then you don't really want to vote for him no matter what else he says, he is either too stupid and/or ignorant to represent you or he is already a bought man!!!!

God bless America.
 
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VAT: Fuel For The Full-Entitlement State

Investors.com - VAT: Fuel For The Full-Entitlement State

Interesting editorial on the subject I thought.

Obama set out to be a consequential president, on the order of Ronald Reagan. With the VAT, Obama's triumph will be complete. He will have succeeded in reversing Reaganism. Liberals have long complained that Reagan's strategy was to starve the (governmental) beast in order to shrink it: First, cut taxes — then ultimately you have to reduce government spending.

Obama's strategy is exactly the opposite: Expand the beast, and then feed it. Spend first — which then forces taxation. Now that, with the institution of universal health care, we are becoming the full entitlement state, the beast will have to be fed.
 
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This will be Obama's central theme for the 2012 reelection run. All this fool wants to do is to tax this country into oblivion and destroy private business. Why, so the gov't can take over every thing!

Marx would be so proud!
 
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This will be Obama's central theme for the 2012 reelection run. All this fool wants to do is to tax this country into oblivion and destroy private business. Why, so the gov't can take over every thing!

Marx would be so proud!


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BHO's plans do not work unless the citizens are divided into economic groups. Then, he can play the groups, that have the most votes, to his advantage.
It is kind of simple really.
 
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It is a tax upon a tax,upon a tax and etc.............


No way!

The Dem-Libs are all about any kind of a tax.
 
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If it's a tax, it sounds good to the Dems. Keep biting that hand that feeds you boys, hopefully one day we bite back.
 

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