Venables contract at OU fully guaranteed, 6-years $43.5 million

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Dude, you know how bad you have to be fired in your first year?

At least in college ball, I'm not so sure I can come up with even one (at least somewhat modern).

Maybe Mike Price but do you even count him as he never coached a game?

Plenty of interim coaches for the year also, but I can't think of one who was outright fired for performance after one year?
 
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stolitonic said:
Dude, you know how bad you have to be fired in your first year?

At least in college ball, I'm not so sure I can come up with even one (at least somewhat modern).

Maybe Mike Price but do you even count him as he never coached a game?

Plenty of interim coaches for the year also, but I can't think of one who was outright fired for performance after one year?
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Arkansas coach who was fired after one opening loss to the Citadel in 1992
 
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stolitonic said:
Dude, you know how bad you have to be fired in your first year?

At least in college ball, I'm not so sure I can come up with even one (at least somewhat modern).

Maybe Mike Price but do you even count him as he never coached a game?

Plenty of interim coaches for the year also, but I can't think of one who was outright fired for performance after one year?
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You have to be Ellis Johnson bad.
 
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stolitonic said:
Dude, you know how bad you have to be fired in your first year?

At least in college ball, I'm not so sure I can come up with even one (at least somewhat modern).

Maybe Mike Price but do you even count him as he never coached a game?

Plenty of interim coaches for the year also, but I can't think of one who was outright fired for performance after one year?
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I think it's awesome for anybody to mention Mike Price any time (how can you not enjoy a story about a guy who played 20 holes in a round of golf), but that was for cause, and it came out in the ensuing lawsuits that he never signed his contract with Alabama. So it's really just not at all relevant. I guess they didn't pay anything except his room service bill.

According to google, in the last 10 years, Jimmy Lake made it 13 games. An asterisk is needed here because the first 4 games were an entire year (2020). Willie Taggart lasted 21 games. Chad Morris made it 22 games. Everybody else on the list made it to 2 years. I guess that was a strictly P5 list, I don't know.
 
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stolitonic said:
Dude, you know how bad you have to be fired in your first year?

At least in college ball, I'm not so sure I can come up with even one (at least somewhat modern).

Maybe Mike Price but do you even count him as he never coached a game?

Plenty of interim coaches for the year also, but I can't think of one who was outright fired for performance after one year?
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I’ve never thought that OU would consider firing Venables this year. It is others who have been discussing it on this forum. Nevertheless, with that contract, it may be hard to fire him even after 3 -4 years.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
No it was his first game
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I didn't remember so had to look it up.
Looks like he was leaving with Ken Hatfield to Clemson after 1989 season as a coordinator. He was elevated to HC so he stayed at Arkansas.
HC for all of 90 and 91
Lost to Citadel first game of 92 and resigned.
 
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stolitonic said:
I didn't remember so had to look it up.
Looks like he was leaving with Danny Ford to Clemson after 1990 season as a coordinator. He was elevated to HC so he stayed at Arkansas.
HC for all of 91
Lost to Citadel first game of 92 and resigned.
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It was Ken Hatfield not Danny Ford. And that was after the 1989 season. Crowe was HC for all of 1990 and 1991. Fired after the opening game loss to the Citadel in ‘92.
 
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Boston Vol said:
It was Ken Hatfield not Danny Ford. And that was after the 1989 season. Crowe was HC for all of 1990 and 1991. Fired after the opening game loss to the Citadel in ‘92.
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I changed it to 89 already.


You are correct though, it was Ken Hatfield.

imma edit it.
 
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wmcovol said:
Sexton about to take a bite outta Danny Whites ass. And I don’t mind. Heupel is delivering. Paying premium price for $hit like Dooley, Jones & Pruitt is stupid.
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I like everything I’ve seen so far with Heupel, but I’d like to see him do well a second year before jumping in to a huge contract with him. Don’t want to be like Michigan State where the first time your coach has a big season you grossly over spend then he falls flat the next year. I’ll be shocked if that’s the case with Heupel, but you never know for sure. JMO
 
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walkenvol said:
I like everything I’ve seen so far with Heupel, but I’d like to see him do well a second year before jumping in to a huge contract with him. Don’t want to be like Michigan State where the first time your coach has a big season you grossly over spend then he falls flat the next year. I’ll be shocked if that’s the case with Heupel, but you never know for sure. JMO
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IMHO, a funny dilemma, partially a product of BVS. Your fiscal responsibility is admirable. But it is not your money.

Assuming the worst, which bad scenarios do you pick?

1) Heupel is the real-deal second coming of Spurrier. Yet White says "prove it for a second season" before giving him Oprah money. He pulls a Kiffin, leaves for his "dream job" replacing Venables at OU. Mattresses burn.

2) Heupel is a fraud of a one-hit-wonder. Successful only as a result of Hendon Hooker's Heisman-worthy QB play. White pays him the Oprah money, but he cannot reproduce 2022 in following years. Fired after third season and spends several years on TN's dime as an AL analyst washing Saban's car-- er, I mean teaching Saban his offense.

We have lived both.

Football is like a box of chocolates.
 
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ReadCT said:
IMHO, a funny dilemma, partially a product of BVS. Your fiscal responsibility is admirable. But it is not your money.

Assuming the worst, which bad scenarios do you pick?

1) Heupel is the real-deal second coming of Spurrier. Yet White says "prove it for a second season" before giving him Oprah money. He pulls a Kiffin, leaves for his "dream job" replacing Venables at OU. Mattresses burn.

2) Heupel is a fraud of a one-hit-wonder. Successful only as a result of Hendon Hooker's Heisman-worthy QB play. White pays him the Oprah money, but he cannot reproduce 2022 in following years. Fired after third season and spends several years on TN's dime as an AL analyst washing Saban's car-- er, I mean teaching Saban his offense.

We have lived both.

Football is like a box of chocolates.
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OU reportedly would be far from Heupel's "dream job." Scenario #2 seems way more likely than #1.
 
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05_never_again said:
OU reportedly would be far from Heupel's "dream job." Scenario #2 seems way more likely than #1.
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I was actually kidding about OU being his dream job, thus the quotes. Probably would have been better to go with blue font.

But replace OU with anyone willing to give Oprah money when White will not, and you have a "dream job."
 
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