Vince Young almost quit football

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I can't help but think that having Mr. Jones on the team had contributed to VY "having a lot of things going on in his life."
 
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rwemyss said:
I can't help but think that having Mr. Jones on the team had contributed to VY "having a lot of things going on in his life."
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I'd say the expectations of being the first QB drafted and the problems he was having in practice were the main reasons. I'd say losing Travis Henry probably didn't make him feel anymore comfortable about how much was expected of him. I doubt a defensive player that only played one season with Young really had that much to do with it.
 
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I think he has some closet issues.

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It wasn't fun anymore. All of the fun was out of it. All of the excitement was gone. All I was doing was worrying about things.
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Uh, that would be the difference between college football and the NFL, Vince. It's a job now. You're not automatically by far the best player on the field anymore. There's actual work involved.

As a Falcons fan, I really can't help but feel like I've seen this movie before.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Uh, that would be the difference between college football and the NFL, Vince. It's a job now. You're not automatically by far the best player on the field anymore. There's actual work involved.

As a Falcons fan, I really can't help but feel like I've seen this movie before.
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that's really not fair Vercin. We have no idea what he was worried about and what was going on with his family. All of us go through times of crisis and VY is no different.
 
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volfanbill said:
that's really not fair Vercin. We have no idea what he was worried about and what was going on with his family. All of us go through times of crisis and VY is no different.
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Part of the benefit to being sports fans is that we get to unfairly criticize players and coaches all the time based on incomplete information. Bobby Cox obviously knows a thousand times more than I do about the Braves' players, their opponents, etc., and he has already managed more baseball games than I will ever watch in my life, but that doesn't stop me from happily bitching about his weird strategies, lineup choices, and bullpen moves. Since we aren't given any mitigating circumstances, all we have to go on is the quote. I'm not normally one to pull out the "he's making millions of dollars" card, but come on -- football isn't fun anymore? The excitement is gone? Boo hoo. This is the same sort of stuff we heard down here for years.

I'm telling you, Titans fans [edit: not you, Bill] -- prepare for disappointment. I've seen that you guys have already passed through Phase One, "Wow!", and are now heavily into Phase Two, "Get Him Some Receivers." (Future phases include "Now Get Him Some Different Receivers, Because Everybody They Bring In Suddenly Can't Catch Anymore," "Let Vince Just Be Vince," and "Find A Genius Coach Who Can Design A System Around Him." Presumably there will be others, assuming a federal prison term doesn't cut the thrill ride short like it did down here.) Young is at least six inches taller than Vick, which should help a lot, but on the other hand he doesn't run nearly as well. Other than that they're the same player.
 
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i'm not saying Young is going to turn into a good pro qb, I never thought he would, and he hasn't shown anything yet to make me believe otherwise. But I think there is a difference in complaining that your manager hasn't realized yet that walking the bases loaded is most likely a bad idea and someone is possibly going through a lot of personal issues.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Part of the benefit to being sports fans is that we get to unfairly criticize players and coaches all the time based on incomplete information. Bobby Cox obviously knows a thousand times more than I do about the Braves' players, their opponents, etc., and he has already managed more baseball games than I will ever watch in my life, but that doesn't stop me from happily bitching about his weird strategies, lineup choices, and bullpen moves. Since we aren't given any mitigating circumstances, all we have to go on is the quote. I'm not normally one to pull out the "he's making millions of dollars" card, but come on -- football isn't fun anymore? The excitement is gone? Boo hoo. This is the same sort of stuff we heard down here for years.

I'm telling you, Titans fans [edit: not you, Bill] -- prepare for disappointment. I've seen that you guys have already passed through Phase One, "Wow!", and are now heavily into Phase Two, "Get Him Some Receivers." (Future phases include "Now Get Him Some Different Receivers, Because Everybody They Bring In Suddenly Can't Catch Anymore," "Let Vince Just Be Vince," and "Find A Genius Coach Who Can Design A System Around Him." Presumably there will be others, assuming a federal prison term doesn't cut the thrill ride short like it did down here.) Young is at least six inches taller than Vick, which should help a lot, but on the other hand he doesn't run nearly as well. Other than that they're the same player.
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I agree with much of your post but there is one major difference between Vick and Young. Young is a better qb over all. Vick was never suited to play qb in the NFL game. Vick was destined to be a failure from day one, he was better suited to become a receiver or gimmick type play maker. Young has much more upside than Vick did. Will young ever reach his potential? I don't know.
 
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volfanbill said:
i'm not saying Young is going to turn into a good pro qb, I never thought he would, and he hasn't shown anything yet to make me believe otherwise. But I think there is a difference in complaining that your manager hasn't realized yet that walking the bases loaded is most likely a bad idea and someone is possibly going through a lot of personal issues.
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Everyone has personal issues. Are there family-type problems and such that would explain why he might have wanted to walk away from the game? Absolutely. Are there ways to tell the media that, even without getting so specific as to violate anybody's privacy? Sure -- "family health issues," perhaps, or "I was distracted by personal concerns about somebody close to me." Etc. But he didn't say anything like that. So we're left with what we've got -- a guy complaining to the press days after some embarrassing pictures of him were splattered online. It doesn't sound like somebody who was dealing with any personal issues to me; it sounds like drama from somebody who's feeling sorry for himself. If not, then he probably shouldn't have said anything to the media in the first place.
 
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None of us may know what his "issues" were, but I'll ask, how would quitting have resolved them?
 
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allvol123 said:
None of us may know what his "issues" were, but I'll ask, how would quitting have resolved them?
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well if they were personal or family, being able to get away from the media and frenzy of the NFL and spending more QT with the fam and getting closer to God could have easily resolved them. Being on the go constantly, out of town, always at the stadium/practice facilities sure isn't going to help anything if what you need is to be with your family and those closest to you.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Everyone has personal issues. Are there family-type problems and such that would explain why he might have wanted to walk away from the game? Absolutely. Are there ways to tell the media that, even without getting so specific as to violate anybody's privacy? Sure -- "family health issues," perhaps, or "I was distracted by personal concerns about somebody close to me." Etc. But he didn't say anything like that. So we're left with what we've got -- a guy complaining to the press days after some embarrassing pictures of him were splattered online. It doesn't sound like somebody who was dealing with any personal issues to me; it sounds like drama from somebody who's feeling sorry for himself. If not, then he probably shouldn't have said anything to the media in the first place.
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That makes sense, except we still just don't really know. I don't know that it is fair to jump to conclusions. Just my opinion though.
 
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You can pay me millions to hate my job any day. You dont quit when things get tough. What if he has another bad year next year is he gonna try and bolt again when the pressures on him?
 
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Almost all of us have problems to deal with some severe, some minor. Quitting is not something that I see as working out in most situations. If he had family members with medical problems, I don't see giving up millions of dollars(money is needed for medical issues) helping the matter. I don't like the Titans and not a fan of Vince but I'll not bash him too much over this because I don't fully understand his "thoughts" of quitting. I have tons of thoughts that flash through my head that I don't ever really have any intention of acting on. So if this is what that was, then I don't see any need to criticize him for it. If it was a legitmate consideration that he pondered seriously, I'd say he is very immature.
 
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KB5252 said:
I agree with much of your post but there is one major difference between Vick and Young. Young is a better qb over all. Vick was never suited to play qb in the NFL game. Vick was destined to be a failure from day one, he was better suited to become a receiver or gimmick type play maker. Young has much more upside than Vick did. Will young ever reach his potential? I don't know.
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If by "upside" you mean "taller," then yes, I agree. I'm convinced that the unfixable, original flaw with Vick as a pro QB was the ancient one -- that he was simply too short to see over the line. (He was listed at six feet exactly, but reportedly is really more like 5' 10".) Which of course is why he was so much better a passer on the move, and why the west coast offense was so spectacularly bad a fit for him. Young is at least six inches taller, so he can at least see over the line well enough that the Titans won't have to keep moving him outside to throw. So in that sense he does have more potential than Vick ever did.

But beyond that, I don't really see much difference between the two players. Young not a particularly good passer. His first instinct is still to pull the ball down and run with it, which A) is going to get him hurt, and B) is just not going to consistently win you games in the NFL like it can in college. To be successful in the long-term, he's going to have to develop into a straight-up dropback QB first and foremost, with the running an extra dimension to his game. And I'm pessimistic about anybody's chances of basically learning to pass all over again at the NFL level.
 
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I really don't like the you get paid millions of dollars so get over it theory. We have no idea what was going on his head and why he had the thoughts that he did. But everyone, in all walks of life goes through inner turmoil that causes them to do and think things that aren't typical. Athletes are still people. Young stayed strong and kept playing, even helped get the Titans to the playoffs. I will not criticize him, but I will give him credit for not giving up
 
#21
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The large sum of money he earns does enter into the equation whether you want it to or not. Again, I'd like to know what issue he was going to have that would have been resolved by quitting.
 
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VY had several personal issues going on...a couple of them:

His dad has been out of the picture most of VY's life....VY gets picked #3 and (sadly predictably) his dad suddenly has a change of heart and tries to get back involved in VY's life.

Young has been in a very long term/serious relationship for awhile, and about mid way through his rookie year an aquaintence of his and his girlfriend comes out and says that she's pregnant and he's that dad, and she needs $$$. The paternity test eventually cleared VY, but I'm sure that wasn't a fun time either.
 
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notsolegato said:
VY had several personal issues going on...a couple of them:

His dad has been out of the picture most of VY's life....VY gets picked #3 and (sadly predictably) his dad suddenly has a change of heart and tries to get back involved in VY's life.

Young has been in a very long term/serious relationship for awhile, and about mid way through his rookie year an aquaintence of his and his girlfriend comes out and says that she's pregnant and he's that dad, and she needs $$$. The paternity test eventually cleared VY, but I'm sure that wasn't a fun time either.
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this is obviously still opinion, but I would argue that those are two situations where quitting football and just trying to live a normal life would be understandable. Money can not buy happiness. It can help, but it can hurt the cause just as much.
 
#24
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Life isn't easy, no matter who you are. I know he's young and thrust into the limelight as a public figure but ya just gotta man up and face the problems head on. A winner never quits and a quitter never wins.
 
#25
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No. Nothing about those 2 situations suggests giving back millions of dollars is a good idea. Declining the opportunity to put your family in a safe place economically by simply performing your job would suggest you are an immature selfish dunce.
 
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