Vols Drop Series Finale to #8 Ole Miss

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Jordan Rodgers knocked a three-run home run and four Vols posted multi-hit days, but it wasn't enough to steal the series from No. 8 Ole Miss as the Rebels took the season finale by a 10-7 count at Lindsey Nelson Stadium on Sunday.

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Dang, that's a slow pitch softball score. I think our Vols are gonna play with a lot of good teams this year.
 
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yes, I think Tennessee will play with a lot of good teams, and maybe have a good year. No shame in losing two of three to ole Miss they way we lost those games. A lot of people are going to lose two of three to ole Miss
 
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I don't get why Serrano doesn't have guys loosening up by about the 4th inning every game. This pitching staff doesn't have the arms to guarantee 6+ innings on the weekend. There's a big inning that can't be stopped because there isn't a guy loose. There's no harm in getting a guy tossing in the 4th so he can get warm faster if needed. And if he's not needed, great, but at least he's prepared if it gets rough.
 
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whobethis16 said:
I don't get why Serrano doesn't have guys loosening up by about the 4th inning every game. This pitching staff doesn't have the arms to guarantee 6+ innings on the weekend. There's a big inning that can't be stopped because there isn't a guy loose. There's no harm in getting a guy tossing in the 4th so he can get warm faster if needed. And if he's not needed, great, but at least he's prepared if it gets rough.
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Feel the same way, it's really hard to square what happened with Kane to Vasquez today.

Kane is a known commodity, he's a 2 inning guy, maybe 3...so when he came out to start the 5th, Vasquez should have been in the BP...

Kane hits the first batter, walks the next guy...Vasquez should have been in right there...instead, Kane got another go and they broke the game open with the next batter...then Vasquez is in a tough spot, a tougher spot than he needed to be in. I was pretty surprised Kane even came out for the inning, but CDS sees something in him that I don't...that's why he's paid the big bucks.

Of course, there's enough blame to go around...Bartlett's error was big, that play could have ended the inning...
 
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vol66 said:
Feel the same way, it's really hard to square what happened with Kane to Vasquez today.

Kane is a known commodity, he's a 2 inning guy, maybe 3...so when he came out to start the 4th, Vasquez should have been in the BP...

Kane hits the first batter, walks the next guy...Vasquez should have been in right there...instead, Kane got another go and they broke the game open with the next batter...then Vasquez is in a tough spot, a tougher spot than he needed to be in. I was pretty surprised Kane even came out for the inning, but CDS sees something in him that I don't...that's why he's paid the big bucks.

Of course, there's enough blame to go around...Bartlett's error was big, that play could have ended the inning...
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I cannot watch the post game right now and I was hoping he would discuss the decision that the 4th was all Kane - at least it seems that way - did he mention this?

After Rodgers went deep the first thing I thought of was Bartlett's bungling of the double play ball.
 
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NorCalVol67 said:
I cannot watch the post game right now and I was hoping he would discuss the decision that the 4th was all Kane - at least it seems that way - did he mention this?

After Rodgers went deep the first thing I thought of was Bartlett's bungling of the double play ball.
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He didn't mention his decision to leave Kane out there...of course, he wasn't asked about it either.
 
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OK - let's keep this simple. Simcox arrives and they start scoring enough runs to win 66% of their games until the SEC schedule kicks in. Small ball goes away. Now they should reset their expectations to winning 50+% as their goal since offense will have to win most of the games with this roster - not pitching and D. Losing two to a solid Ole Miss team was expected. Scoring 14 runs in 3 games against their pitching staff is good work.

If you are CDS at this point; you are into Year 4 and your personal strong point historically as a coach is pitching. It hasn't been happening. Forget the loss of your son. No offense, but, he's not all that hot anyway. You bit the bullet for changes to the offense and it worked. Don't you think it is time for changes in your pitching development, recruits, training, etc. It is the same issue as the hitting was. What you are doing does not win you enough games in the SEC. You have to swallow your pride and hire the right guy to develop a staff that can compete against the most important games on your schedule each year, who is also an outstanding recruiter. You may have to take a backseat to that coach's expertise.

You will then win at a level that you can allow you finish your career as a Vol legend head coach of the diamond Vols. All the good coaches have to do this at any program and in any sport to win consistently. I hope Hart will give him another season or two to get that done if they improve their record sufficiently over last season.
 
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History repeats itself although not shocking they did play a elite team that highly likely goes to the College World Series.

Vols no doubt prove to be a resilient team this season. I'm optimistic they can have a good season including with w-l record with sec games but still are going to have the growing pains.
 
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Vols4us said:
OK - let's keep this simple. Simcox arrives and they start scoring enough runs to win 66% of their games until the SEC schedule kicks in. Small ball goes away. Now they should reset their expectations to winning 50+% as their goal since offense will have to win most of the games with this roster - not pitching and D. Losing two to a solid Ole Miss team was expected. Scoring 14 runs in 3 games against their pitching staff is good work.

If you are CDS at this point; you are into Year 4 and your personal strong point historically as a coach is pitching. It hasn't been happening. Forget the loss of your son. No offense, but, he's not all that hot anyway. You bit the bullet for changes to the offense and it worked. Don't you think it is time for changes in your pitching development, recruits, training, etc. It is the same issue as the hitting was. What you are doing does not win you enough games in the SEC. You have to swallow your pride and hire the right guy to develop a staff that can compete against the most important games on your schedule each year, who is also an outstanding recruiter. You may have to take a backseat to that coach's expertise.

You will then win at a level that you can allow you finish your career as a Vol legend head coach of the diamond Vols. All the good coaches have to do this at any program and in any sport to win consistently. I hope Hart will give him another season or two to get that done if they improve their record sufficiently over last season.
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Any possibility Serrano isn't the right guy after all? Maybe Simcox should be the man and let him hire a great pitching coach.

I'm just throwing that out there--I actually like Serrano. Just wondering, if Simcox made that much difference in our hitting--maybe he could be the guy to do the leading of that whole program.

I mean, why is pitching and defense still lagging behind, since CDS has been there for a few years now?
 
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vol66 said:
Feel the same way, it's really hard to square what happened with Kane to Vasquez today.

Kane is a known commodity, he's a 2 inning guy, maybe 3...so when he came out to start the 5th, Vasquez should have been in the BP...

Kane hits the first batter, walks the next guy...Vasquez should have been in right there...instead, Kane got another go and they broke the game open with the next batter...then Vasquez is in a tough spot, a tougher spot than he needed to be in. I was pretty surprised Kane even came out for the inning, but CDS sees something in him that I don't...that's why he's paid the big bucks.

Of course, there's enough blame to go around...Bartlett's error was big, that play could have ended the inning...
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I agree there is enough to go around today, but the delaying warming up has been a problem since day 1 in his first year. I know he's used to having 3 6+ inning guys out in California, but he has been lucky to have 1 here. It's a committee, but he fails to get the relief prepared on time. If it was me, I'd have guys going to the pen in 3rd inning every game and tossing. And definitely start someone who can last longer than 1 inning. And yes, I know it's easy to say from the couch.
 
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whobethis16 said:
I agree there is enough to go around today, but the delaying warming up has been a problem since day 1 in his first year. I know he's used to having 3 6+ inning guys out in California, but he has been lucky to have 1 here. It's a committee, but he fails to get the relief prepared on time. If it was me, I'd have guys going to the pen in 3rd inning every game and tossing. And definitely start someone who can last longer than 1 inning. And yes, I know it's easy to say from the couch.
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I was agreeing with you. I thought it was weird that Kane was allowed to come out for the 5th...I thought it was weird that Vasquez wasn't warming in the BP when Kane came out for the 5th and that after a HBP and a walk Vasquez either wasn't ready yet or wasn't called upon before Kane faced the 3rd batter...not upon reflection but at that time and said so.

CDS has traditionally given upperclassmen some rope...Kane last year and Freeman this year...even though they really haven't proven themselves in SEC play.

Nobody is rooting for Freeman more than me, but prove it in the midweek first.

How many times this weekend did we hear, "he's a walk on." There are too many teams that have freshman power arms and we don't ever seem to have those.

It's early...every comment I make should be started with that...It's early, but Andy and Hunter have to come around. It really is as simple as that.
 
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Vols4us said:
OK - let's keep this simple. Simcox arrives and they start scoring enough runs to win 66% of their games until the SEC schedule kicks in. Small ball goes away. Now they should reset their expectations to winning 50+% as their goal since offense will have to win most of the games with this roster - not pitching and D. Losing two to a solid Ole Miss team was expected. Scoring 14 runs in 3 games against their pitching staff is good work.

If you are CDS at this point; you are into Year 4 and your personal strong point historically as a coach is pitching. It hasn't been happening. Forget the loss of your son. No offense, but, he's not all that hot anyway. You bit the bullet for changes to the offense and it worked. Don't you think it is time for changes in your pitching development, recruits, training, etc. It is the same issue as the hitting was. What you are doing does not win you enough games in the SEC. You have to swallow your pride and hire the right guy to develop a staff that can compete against the most important games on your schedule each year, who is also an outstanding recruiter. You may have to take a backseat to that coach's expertise.

You will then win at a level that you can allow you finish your career as a Vol legend head coach of the diamond Vols. All the good coaches have to do this at any program and in any sport to win consistently. I hope Hart will give him another season or two to get that done if they improve their record sufficiently over last season.
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I posted something similar yesterday about CDS and being the pitching coach/HC combo



One key thing to look at is what kind of pitching drafts is he developing compared to the rest of the SEC.

Who and what round is the highest draft under CDS at Tenn?
 
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Well, at least, we'll be getting some TV time. The TTU game is on the SECN, Tuesday, at 7PM eastern and Alabama, game 2, Saturday, on the SECN at 9PM eastern.

GO BIG ORANGE!
 
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The Vols still do not have anywhere close to the kind of pitching staff they need to get past the first day of the SEC Tournament. Simcox has done wonders with the hitting but you can't expect to score a touchdown every time out in the SEC and that wasn't even enough runs to win 2 of the 3 this weekend.

At the end of this year, the Vols will still be scrambling to make it to the first day in Hoover......with only a puncher's chance to make it past that.
 
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You asked about highest draft picks. Pitching wise I think it has been Zac Godley, he was I think a 10th round pick, but he was a senior and did not get much of a signing bonus all though he has done great things in professional ball. The rest of the pitching draftees have been after the 10th round. Andrew Lee had a great summer last year in the minor leagues for the Nationals. Drake Owenby, Nick Williams and Drew Stekinrider are all in the minor leagues. I think Christin Stewart has been the overall highest pick and had a great summer last year. Our guys are having some pretty solid success in minors. It is pretty simple, for whatever reason, UT just has not had the pitching depth to consistently compete in the SEC. I think Serrano is a good coach, but they have just not gotten the pitching. The top teams have pitchers going the top 5 rounds, at a minimum top 10 rounds and we have not had that happen. Lost some high school guys to the draft, but that happens to everyone. We have some talent, but just need more.
 
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buvol said:
You asked about highest draft picks. Pitching wise I think it has been Zac Godley, he was I think a 10th round pick, but he was a senior and did not get much of a signing bonus all though he has done great things in professional ball. The rest of the pitching draftees have been after the 10th round. Andrew Lee had a great summer last year in the minor leagues for the Nationals. Drake Owenby, Nick Williams and Drew Stekinrider are all in the minor leagues. I think Christin Stewart has been the overall highest pick and had a great summer last year. Our guys are having some pretty solid success in minors. It is pretty simple, for whatever reason, UT just has not had the pitching depth to consistently compete in the SEC. I think Serrano is a good coach, but they have just not gotten the pitching. The top teams have pitchers going the top 5 rounds, at a minimum top 10 rounds and we have not had that happen. Lost some high school guys to the draft, but that happens to everyone. We have some talent, but just need more.
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I thought godley was the highest. That is remarkable how poor that is regarding high drafts at this level


Sadly enough there was a much higher one than that. A kid that was reportedly cut at Christmas a few years ago went to Walters state and was a 3rd rounder a few months later. That's a sad thing to hear knowing how badly we have needed real talent
 
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