Voting, do you care if someone does or does not vote?

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OrangeEmpire

OrangeEmpire

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Is it your civic duty to vote?

Do you mind people that do not vote?

In fact would you rather someone not vote if uninformed and lazy people don't vote, they're doing society a favor.

I'd prefer more such people didn't vote. Democracy doesn't need perverts, druggies, child molesters, and other scum voting. If Democracy were based on these losers we would be in a sorry shape...

Or am I only half right?

I’m sorry but you are only half right.

I’m tired of people who whine and complain their fool heads off but can’t be bothered to get up off the couch and GET INVOVED!

99.9% of the people screaming Bush Sucks! Bother to actually do something about it.

If ‘only’ 10% of these people did get up and get out and volunteered, and gave $10, and worked the streets for their candidate, they just might make a difference.

Doubt my math? Assume that ‘only’ 40% of the country doesn’t like Bush…120 million people.

If ‘only’ 12 million people got out and covered the streets for Democratic candidates, and gave $10 ($1.2 billion) the GOP wouldn’t stand a chance.

But it gets better…

58 million people voted against Bush. Assume no more people hate him now. That would be roughly 90,000 volunteers for each Democrat running for Congress this year. Half a billion (580 million) for Democrats.

But it gets better…

About 300,000 people vote in a typical Congressional race. If ‘only’ 100,000 people voted for the Democrat, and if ‘only’ 10% of those people got ‘mad enough’ to volunteer, and to give $10 10,000 people working the street 10,000 yard signs, $100,000 for a race that usually costs oh, about 300,000 in Ohio. Big difference.

Yet one more reason I don’t give much respect to all those screaming Bush Sucks!

Which by the way is the Democratic platform for November!

:) :birgits_giggle: :peace2: :neener2: :shaking2:
 
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Almost all of these politcians came from state and counties where I have no legal ability to vote. Plus, it's very simple, just vote out the incumbents. These career politicians whom are only interested in keeping that power they desire, and the money. Money. Luxuries.

Most of these incumbents stay right where they're at, and I've seen scary numbers like..98% of them are never defeated and basically stay for life or until they're darn good and ready to leave power.

Where are the honest people? They're all around, trouble is that they can't compete with all the monies that the entrenched politicians and their cronies have. This can be fixed by making it law that all elections are to be publicly funded and no-frills. The history books will spell it right out that our lawmakers were never meant to use that as their primary jobs to bgein with. Used to be that they would actually do the peoples work, then go home and tend their farms. They didn't even work year-round.

I think voter apathy is understandable to some degree in modern American politics. I mean look at what we have to choose from. It's hard to get excited and vote for most of these guys of either party, much less get involved in their campaigns. "Please vote for this guy I know is a total slime ball because he's a little bit less of a slime ball than that other guy over there. His false promises are better than that guys false promises."

While I don't agree with the conclusion not to vote or to not be involved at some point, I think it's understandable when people always feel like they are choosing between the lesser of two evils. The Democrats and Republicans strangle hold on American politics leads to voter apathy.

What hardcore partisans like t don't get is that most people really don't care about which party has more power because they both abuse it once they get it. Average people just want good leaders who look after them and the country and it doesn't take very long to know neither of the major parties care about doing that.
 
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Look at redistricting. It, for the most part, is done by the state legislatures who design the lines to keep their party and their incumbents in power. Tom DeLay was a mastermind for this. First take control of the TX legislature and then redraw the lines to favor your party and then have them take control of the state Congressional delegation. The party in control of the legislature draws lines to favor both their people and their incumbents thus assuring we get the same people running and winning every time.
 
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Look at redistricting. It, for the most part, is done by the state legislatures who design the lines to keep their party and their incumbents in power. Tom DeLay was a mastermind for this. First take control of the TX legislature and then redraw the lines to favor your party and then have them take control of the state Congressional delegation. The party in control of the legislature draws lines to favor both their people and their incumbents thus assuring we get the same people running and winning every time.
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:whatever: It is an endless cycle...........think we need radical reform or just start over? :eek:k:
 
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My problem with the voting process as it stands is the electoral college; my vote doesn't really matter due to the location of where I live. Take TN for example - the whole state is red except Shelby county which is Blue - so there for if you are a blue voter you are wasting your time standing in line.
 
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If you want to have a say in the future of the country then electing your leaders is the most effective way. I do work on campaigns and volunteer my time because it matters to me. I also educate myself on the candidate that best matches my beliefs and views. In fact, I probably know more about the guy I'm not voting for than most of his supporters. Other countries say that they like Americans but hate our govt. We are the govt and we need to start remembering that! They work for us.

I hate strict party-line voters. That's what sickened me with the whole Lieberman ordeal. Those that backed him suddenly jumped ship and said "I've got to back the Democratic candidate because that's my party." These are our leaders! They complain that partisan politics are ruining our govt but can't get pull themselves away from it. If you believe that there is a better choice then choose it. Hiding behind a label is killing our system.
 
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VOLracerx said:
My problem with the voting process as it stands is the electoral college; my vote doesn't really matter due to the location of where I live. Take TN for example - the whole state is red except Shelby county which is Blue - so there for if you are a blue voter you are wasting your time standing in line.
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Except for the fact that Al Gore was a Senator from TN, the current Governor of TN is a democrat, and Harold Ford Jr. will win a seat in the senate. Other than that, your point is incredibly valid.
 
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VOLracerx said:
My problem with the voting process as it stands is the electoral college; my vote doesn't really matter due to the location of where I live. Take TN for example - the whole state is red except Shelby county which is Blue - so there for if you are a blue voter you are wasting your time standing in line.
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I'd hope that blue vote means something more for at least state and local elections...in other words it's no reason NOT to vote.
 
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I think it serves a good purpose. If you take this directly to the people, all I would do is campaign in IL (Chicago), NY (NYC), CA (LA, SF, SD), MI (Detroit), and FL (Miami, TB, JAX). I could only campaign in a few states and even just a few major cities and ignore the rest of the country. All I have to do is get the 50%+1 and I can do that by going for the urban and suburban votes. If you think the EC denies a fair vote, what does THIS method offer? Most of the states and country would be completely ignored. I hit the major media markets on ads, mailers, grassroots, etc. Anyone in TN would not be considered worth the time to visit.
 
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The genius that people fail to notice in the Electoral College system and federalism is that, in theory and over time, in collects people of the same persuasion to live in the same communities.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
I'd hope that blue vote means something more for at least state and local elections...in other words it's no reason NOT to vote.
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I was just using the last presidentail election as an example - I do think thought that the EC has lost its time and place in the world. It once made sense but these days there are too many ways to decide and not enough votes to represent those decisions.

I am simply stating that the EC is inneffective at voicing the wishes of the minority...the last few pres. elections would have come out completely different had the popular vote counted...and no I am not talking just about Bush.
 
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therealUT said:
The genius that people fail to notice in the Electoral College system and federalism is that, in theory and over time, in collects people of the same persuasion to live in the same communities.
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as a transplant of Memfrica - I am in the minority and feel that my vote in a lot of elections is not counted due to the area in which I live. i do agree with your point tho.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
Is it your civic duty to vote?


I'd prefer more such people didn't vote. Democracy doesn't need perverts, druggies, child molesters, and other scum voting. If Democracy were based on these losers we would be in a sorry shape...

:) :birgits_giggle: :peace2: :neener2: :shaking2:
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You just described the whole lot of career politicians. We are in sorry shape.
 
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As to the OP, no I don't have a problem with people who don't vote. There are several elections where I don't want either candidate, and I wind up voting for the "lesser of two evils". Personally I would love to see a NOTA option.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
Oh how that would help the country to get rid of them!

It would be a shame if they would have to get "jobs".......
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Am I dreamig, or was it the original intent of the establishment of congress, the constitution, etc, for politicians NOT to be career positions. Somewhere, I'm feeling it was more like military service. Someone would leave their job, serve their 4 years to Congress, and return forever to theirc private lives. The premise of a gov't for the people, by the people. Maybe one of the more politically intelligent can address that.
 
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GVF said:
Am I dreamig, or was it the original intent of the establishment of congress, the constitution, etc, for politicians NOT to be career positions. Somewhere, I'm feeling it was more like military service. Someone would leave their job, serve their 4 years to Congress, and return forever to theirc private lives. The premise of a gov't for the people, by the people. Maybe one of the more politically intelligent can address that.
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I believe that all of America's problems are rooted in the fact that those who govern our country are paid for it, and paid well.

How simple would our federal laws be if our legislators worked pro bono? Almost all government issues would be handled at the local level.
 
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