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The editors at the NY Slimes couldn't put together a one piece jigsaw puzzle.
 
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I have a surplus of 40 Billion by 2015 and over 300 Bil by 2030. How is this so difficult?

it's difficult because no one could run on those cuts and ever get elected. Most understand there need to be cuts but just don't want it affecting their money
 
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it's difficult because no one could run on those cuts and ever get elected. Most understand there need to be cuts but just don't want it affecting their money

And couldn't massive cuts like that do substantial damage to the economy?
 
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And couldn't massive cuts like that do substantial damage to the economy?

In the short run, yes. The stimulus performed as a wave of antibiotics, hence requiring extended tax cuts, investment and tax credits. Cuts to national defense or entitlement programs wouldn't be very bright right now (i.e.) adding fuel to the fire. Deficit spending doesn't look very sound to those who do not adhere to Keynesian theory, but when you have a massive financial crisis, economic downturn, deflationary levels and a scary geopolitical situation, it's absolutely necessary. That is essentially why I'm not arguing for tax increases in this market. Cuts could certainly be made across the board, that is a given. However, the cuts should be over the long run. David Cameron is attempting to move UK in the right direction, as should the President. Much of the Republican base doesn't want tax increases, yet have little solutions to pay for their dilemma. I heard one certain Senator babble around attempting to explain that Gov't revenue wasn't an issue as long as taxes stay low. Meanwhile the other side wants to boost taxes while increasing spending [Makes no sense, unless you live in smaller European nations, and I don't believe Americans want 60% rates and socialist states]. It seems apparent to me that the only manner in which the situation will change is if taxes are raised and cuts are made or if bush rates are extended with over the long haul -- extreme spending cuts. Of course it all comes down to the argument of whether lower taxes are really worth the risk of a revenue gap, and that is all philosophical. I just hope that Congress or the President doesn't use the recent downturns as an excuse to keep spending levels abnormally high.
 
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it's difficult because no one could run on those cuts and ever get elected. Most understand there need to be cuts but just don't want it affecting their money

Unfortunately, that is the truth.
 
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I just hope that Congress or the President doesn't use the recent downturns as an excuse to keep spending levels abnormally high.

but has the Pres ever shown any indication he's for a cut in spending? Most of the things he wants cost a lot of money. Hopefully the loss of the house will keep him from having a blank check.

Still waiting on him to veto a bill because of earmarks
 
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but has the Pres ever shown any indication he's for a cut in spending? Most of the things he wants cost a lot of money. Hopefully the loss of the house will keep him from having a blank check.

Still waiting on him to veto a bill because of earmarks

Unfortunately, part of the process of voting for a President is based upon promises. I think he had some valid plans coming into office, but many were scrapped. Axelrod essentially came out and insinuated that the Bush rates would be extended [Less revenue], which put Progressive sites into a fury. The left is facing a big dilemma of whether to expel the Blue Dogs, as some would say DINOs or consolidate to the middle. If the President wants to get reelected, it would be wise to move toward consolidation and Cameron or Clinton-ish goals [Less spending], and I'm calculating this upon my assumptions of his political skill -- very high. The economy/financial crisis will eventually no longer be a valid excuse for the deficits, and to some it already isn't. I think he realizes that the mid-terms signify that "It's the economy, stupid." If the economy isn't moving, it's hard to get reelected, and people take into consideration the deficit. The real test of the President is from now to the reelection campaign.
 
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Ya I'd lose by a landslide I did it and I save the country 357 b and 1.4 trillion in the long term. Unfortunately I couldn't chose a 0 estate tax option nor could I say make it just a flat tax from here on out.
 
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which cuts are you talking about? Are you saying a smaller gov't is bad for the economy?

Didn't necessarily mean it like that. One guy talked about how easy it was to cut, and I thought he meant he was getting rid of everything. So, I was mainly asking if a combination of ceasing govt. spending AND raising taxes would be a bad thing.
 
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In the short run, yes. The stimulus performed as a wave of antibiotics, hence requiring extended tax cuts, investment and tax credits. Cuts to national defense or entitlement programs wouldn't be very bright right now (i.e.) adding fuel to the fire. Deficit spending doesn't look very sound to those who do not adhere to Keynesian theory, but when you have a massive financial crisis, economic downturn, deflationary levels and a scary geopolitical situation, it's absolutely necessary. That is essentially why I'm not arguing for tax increases in this market. Cuts could certainly be made across the board, that is a given. However, the cuts should be over the long run. David Cameron is attempting to move UK in the right direction, as should the President. Much of the Republican base doesn't want tax increases, yet have little solutions to pay for their dilemma. I heard one certain Senator babble around attempting to explain that Gov't revenue wasn't an issue as long as taxes stay low. Meanwhile the other side wants to boost taxes while increasing spending [Makes no sense, unless you live in smaller European nations, and I don't believe Americans want 60% rates and socialist states]. It seems apparent to me that the only manner in which the situation will change is if taxes are raised and cuts are made or if bush rates are extended with over the long haul -- extreme spending cuts. Of course it all comes down to the argument of whether lower taxes are really worth the risk of a revenue gap, and that is all philosophical. I just hope that Congress or the President doesn't use the recent downturns as an excuse to keep spending levels abnormally high.

thanks for the quick rundown :hi:
 
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Didn't necessarily mean it like that. One guy talked about how easy it was to cut, and I thought he meant he was getting rid of everything. So, I was mainly asking if a combination of ceasing govt. spending AND raising taxes would be a bad thing.

yes raising taxes now (and IMO ever without first cutting all the spending you can) would be a bad thing
 
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I have a surplus of 40 Billion by 2015 and over 300 Bil by 2030. How is this so difficult?

It is even more difficult because the model assumes that tax increases have no effect on economic activity. They assume that new taxes will just magically be paid without impacting growth, investment, wages, benefits, etc.

The truth is closer to the opposite. Deal with the social welfare spending. Reduce foreign military involvement especially in Europe and Asia. Then cut taxes to spur growth. Reagan's tax cuts increased revenues by 80% over his tenure.... unfortunately the Dems spent about $2 for every $1 in new revenue... then the media hung the blame on Reagan for increasing the deficit.

Even Bush's much maligned tax cuts resulted in $500 billion more net revenue to the Federal gov't in 2008 vs 2000.
 
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