War in Ukraine

[MontyPython]

JOB OPENING

The head of Vladimir Putin's disastrous Ukraine mobilisation campaign has been found dead in “suspicious” circumstances. Military commissar Lt-Col Roman Malyk, 49, a, was discovered near a fence at his home in a village in the Primorsky region of Russia.

Some reports claimed he died from hanging. Russian police have opened a murder probe but have not ruled out suicide.

 

[LouderVol]

Arguing about Cuba isn't all that important to me. The basic fact that they cannot refute is, the US has used a very broad self defense case for invading other Countries over the last 30 years. Russia is now doing the same. Case closed. Russia also used an old case, can't remember the Country, where the UN respected the vote of an area to annex, which Russia at the time argued was invalid. So, Russia used that pretext and held the exact same type of referendums in the now 4 annexed portions of Ukraine. The UN, if it is consistent, must now respect that referendum and accept these annexed former Ukrainian territories, to be Russian.

Trolls can whine about Putin, call him all the usual names, etc...but he beat them at their own game....and much like Trump who did the same, they will now try and destroy him.

So wait. The UN has to be consistent, but Russia doesn't? Funny how you never flip that argument.

I also noticed how quickly you crawfished on Cuba after it was pointed out that they are different situations.

You keep what abouting the US, but you dont hold the same standard to Russia so it's an irrelevant what about. You can also find multiple of the posters here calling out the US involvement in those other nations as bad. So they arent being hypocrites here. Some are, many arent. What's funny is I dont remember your involvement in those other threads calling out the US. They only became issues for you on this Forum after Russia invaded and you needed some type of justification.

 

[Velo Vol]

 

[LouderVol]

Not willing to read it, but does he mention weather? They may be able to push across the border again and take some local towns, but if they were to push hard with winter rolling in they are looking for trouble. Logistics rolls into that too.

 

[AM64]

Well some of these Ukrainian propagandists here have gone back over 800 years and mentioned Kievan Rus.

It's always a problem using historical boundaries to justify some countries - perhaps even most countries in some parts of the world. Today, we tend to see the world as a little more static with respect to boundaries, but further back in history that was never the case. Think about all the different conquests across Europe and Asia alone during recorded history. Even as far back as US states there are discrepancies - sometimes limitations on surveying equipment of the time. I'm like 8/10 mile from the GA line; but if the line had been drawn in the correct place back so many years ago, my house would be in GA. The more pertinent point though is that if this property had been in GA, I would be living somewhere else because I'm a Tennessean.

I think you have to accept that all the historical land grabs - Russian Empire, Soviet Union, etc have screwed all sense of perspective in the region. Countries need to find a geographical fixture - like a river and go with that - even though we know rivers aren't static either. Considering that the Soviet Union - run by Russia placed a lot of Russians in land that didn't belong to the Russians before, then I can't see current hordes of Russians living in strategic areas (such as Crimea and parts of Ukraine) as being a sole qualifier either. Basically this comes down to Putin signed an agreement several years ago setting the Russian-Ukrainian border, and it doesn't suit him now, so he's trying force a do over ... by force. That pesky little problem of annexing Crimea, but Crimea adjoins Ukraine and not Russia. That and a good Black Sea port are the thorns in Putin's paw.

 

[USF grad in TN]

Not willing to read it, but does he mention weather? They may be able to push across the border again and take some local towns, but if they were to push hard with winter rolling in they are looking for trouble. Logistics rolls into that too.

He says the movement is just a bunch of new recruits going there for basic training because bases in Russia are full. He also says tanks, etc. are only what was already there and belonged to Belarus.

 

[Velo Vol]

Not willing to read it, but does he mention weather? They may be able to push across the border again and take some local towns, but if they were to push hard with winter rolling in they are looking for trouble. Logistics rolls into that too.

Not willing to read it?

It doesn't mention weather, but that too. According to the thread there isn't evidence Russia has sent anything but troops and trucks there. No heavy equipment.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Hope this dude is legit and he’s right.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Not willing to read it, but does he mention weather? They may be able to push across the border again and take some local towns, but if they were to push hard with winter rolling in they are looking for trouble. Logistics rolls into that too.

I read the whole thread. His premise is it’s all a big bluff and Belarus is actually providing training for recently mobilized conscripts because Russia camps are at full capacity. Also no heavy equipment like tanks and APCs is arriving with the conscripts only troop trucks and cars. So the makeup isn’t an invasion force. And the claim was made that Belarus actually transferred over 100 T-72s and trucks to Russia not the other way around.

On weather / natural terrain the point was made that the largest wetlands / marshes in Europe are on the Belarus / Ukraine border. They are impassible to heavy equipment. And the passable regions have been fortified like the Maginot line - the author’s term - since the original invasion.

Basically he said the Russian troops arriving are crap, they are not equipped, and an invasion as back in March would be suicide. I hope he’s right.

 

[AM64]

In reading about how drones and accurate artillery fire have changed warfare - and a damn good thing that we are figuring that out where others are fighting and not on a battlefield of our own, I came to the conclusion it's simply still a spin on the need for controlling air space and air superiority. That's something we learned probably in WW1; maybe even with observation balloons in the Civil War. Looks like the next development considering the advent of drones above the battlefield is a reasonably cheap super shotgun. Not AAA with a shell that bursts at a set altitude, but an honest anti-drone gun that fires shells with a spread like a shotgun - probably with a machine gun type firing mechanism. It's either that or some sort of electronic jamming that defeats control of and data transmission from drones - or a wide beam laser to blind them.

Of course, one thing we don't know here is how effective surveillance aircraft patrolling near the battlefield are - and whether the accurate fire actually relies on visible drones, from stand off orbiting surveillance aircraft, or from very high altitude drones like the Global Hawk

 

[Velo Vol]

Looks like the next development considering the advent of drones above the battlefield is a reasonably cheap super shotgun. Not AAA with a shell that bursts at a set altitude, but an honest anti-drone gun that fires shells with a spread like a shotgun - probably with a machine gun type firing mechanism. It's either that or some sort of electronic jamming that defeats control of and data transmission from drones - or a wide beam laser to blind them.

Ideally this. I don't know much about it.

 

[AM64]

You can see the flame out right before it dives.

I'd bet the two flashes were the ejection seats. It was dark enough that they would stand out. Also the picture with the descending chute was very close to the building - like they ejected at the last second when there was no chance to avoid the building.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Viagra
Russia only has two weeks of weapons left
Washing machine and dishwasher parts
988 AD EU membership application
Starlink
Kerch Bridge
"game changer"
Ghost of Kyiv
Kremlin Coup
Kherson Kherson Kherson
Kharkiv offensive
Balakliya
Blood cancer
Parkinson's
HIMARS
Switchblade drones
Warthogs
Obese General
Russian "default"
Javelina
Azovstal "evacuation"
Stingers
No fly zones
40 mile caravan outside of Kyiv
Abrams tanks
Sham referenda
"isolated"
ruble will be rubble
American/Qatari/Azerbaijani LNG
Butcher of Bucha
"international community"
Russia sabotaged their own pipelines
Polish MIG-29s

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Arguing about Cuba isn't all that important to me. The basic fact that they cannot refute is, the US has used a very broad self defense case for invading other Countries over the last 30 years. Russia is now doing the same. Case closed. Russia also used an old case, can't remember the Country, where the UN respected the vote of an area to annex, which Russia at the time argued was invalid. So, Russia used that pretext and held the exact same type of referendums in the now 4 annexed portions of Ukraine. The UN, if it is consistent, must now respect that referendum and accept these annexed former Ukrainian territories, to be Russian.

Trolls can whine about Putin, call him all the usual names, etc...but he beat them at their own game....and much like Trump who did the same, they will now try and destroy him.

Kosovo.

 

[Velo Vol]

Funny how you never flip that argument.

Ever. They could never post their pro-Putin drivel if they did.

 

[DonjoVol]

Viagra
Washing machine and dishwasher parts
988 AD EU membership application
Starlink
Kerch Bridge
"game changer"
Ghost of Kyiv
Kremlin Coup
Kherson Kherson Kherson
Kharkiv offensive
Balakliya
Blood cancer
Parkinson's
HIMARS
Switchblade drones
Warthogs
Obese General
Russian "default"
Javelina
Azovstal "evacuation"
Stingers
No fly zones
40 mile caravan outside of Kyiv
Abrams tanks
Sham referenda
"isolated"
ruble will be rubble
American/Qatari/Azerbaijani LNG
Butcher of Bucha
"international community"
Russia sabotaged their own pipelines
Polish MIG-29s

Every now and then I think these Biden-Zelensky stooges run out of talking points. But they quickly prove me wrong.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Viagra
Washing machine and dishwasher parts
988 AD EU membership application
Starlink
Kerch Bridge
"game changer"
Ghost of Kyiv
Kremlin Coup
Kherson Kherson Kherson
Kharkiv offensive
Balakliya
Blood cancer
Parkinson's
HIMARS
Switchblade drones
Warthogs
Obese General
Russian "default"
Javelina
Azovstal "evacuation"
Stingers
No fly zones
40 mile caravan outside of Kyiv
Abrams tanks
Sham referenda
"isolated"
ruble will be rubble
American/Qatari/Azerbaijani LNG
Butcher of Bucha
"international community"
Russia sabotaged their own pipelines
Polish MIG-29s

 

[volgr]

So wait. The UN has to be consistent, but Russia doesn't? Funny how you never flip that argument.

I also noticed how quickly you crawfished on Cuba after it was pointed out that they are different situations.

Cuba wasnt my example. Nothing to crawfish.

You can do all the mental gymnastics or trolling you want, Russia is doing nothing more than following the precedent set by the US and UN for the last 30 years. That is irrefutable.

 

[MontyPython]

Ukrainian Drone Dropping Grenade Into Trench. Head Launched.

 

[MontyPython]

Cuba wasnt my example. Nothing to crawfish.

You can do all the mental gymnastics or trolling you want, Russia is doing nothing more than following the precedent set by the US and UN for the last 30 years. That is irrefutable.

Pure ignorant drivel.

Russia is attempting to take Ukraine's land.

Name the last time in modern history the US did that to a sovereign country.

That's what I thought.

 

[FortSanders]

Go to Post #48,149.

I am correct you can't even articulate one of Russia's rights justifying war.

 

[Velo Vol]

In reading about how drones and accurate artillery fire have changed warfare - and a damn good thing that we are figuring that out where others are fighting and not on a battlefield of our own, I came to the conclusion it's simply still a spin on the need for controlling air space and air superiority.

Someone did a thread on what's available in Ukraine right now.

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

I'd bet the two flashes were the ejection seats. It was dark enough that they would stand out. Also the picture with the descending chute was very close to the building - like they ejected at the last second when there was no chance to avoid the building.

...and I would agree with you, but most media sources are reporting the engine fire started on take off. You are correct, unless they hit a bird on launch. JMO.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I am correct you can't even articulate one of Russia's rights justifying war.

Oh he’s convinced himself as well as the other pro Russian supporters in this thread. The problem for them is they can’t sell it to any body else.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I am correct you can't even articulate one of Russia's rights justifying war.

Yeah, you lack reason and logic.