War in Ukraine

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#49,901
DonjoVol said:
Your beloved Ukraine has been targeting civilians since 2013 and 2014. They are still shelling civilian areas today. Are you trolls still in denial on that one?
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Its war. It sucks.

the locals didnt want it. The russians did. the russians shouldnt have come in and armed mercernaries. Without early Russian support the rebellion would have never gone hot.

If the russians didnt run out the local officials there likely would have been a peaceful outcome from the start. But again the russians didnt want peace. They wanted another Moscow Special Frozen War in one of their old satellites. Amazing how those keep happening, and you guys never question the involvement of the one common entity.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
"Honestly, I've never experienced this before. My cheeks hurt from smiling."

Mariupol - Martyrdom and Revival (Documentary)
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Clearly we've been wrong about everything as evidenced by your irrefutable propaganda movie.

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volgr said:
I wouldn't say it is a narrative shift. Putin has rightly called the West the "Empire of Lies" for quite a while.
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No, Russia will not invade Ukraine

"A large-scale military operation does not fit into Moscow’s cost-benefit calculus. "

LOL, they got that part right at least. It may be a decade before the true repercussions of brain drain from Russia is fully realized.
 
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volgr said:
Many in east TN would more easily identify with your average Russian vs your average leftist US city metrosexual.
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Too bad russia isnt fighting a leftist US city metrosexual. They probably have more in common with the average Ukrainian, especially their dislike of Russia.

This is the problem with your agenda. You believe they arent fighting and killing Ukraine. You actually believe this is some set back to this gay western nazi death cult you have made up. That the outcome of this war will somehow change the culture of the nation or the region. It wont touch that in the slightest.

It's a war over territory. Nothing more, no less.
 
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volgr said:
I wouldn't say it is a narrative shift. Putin has rightly called the West the "Empire of Lies" for quite a while.
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Uh yeah. It's a pretty big narrative switch.

Anyone is capable of lying. That's a human, worldly issue, that Russia and Putin certainly arent innocent of.

Satan is otherworldly, encapsulates all that is wrong, not just lies, and dehumanizes the opponent.

It's a huge step up in rhetoric.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The reserves may indeed be full. The problem is those reserves are just that... back ups. They were not intended to be used to meet full winter demand. Also, the rationing of gas should tell you that they are experiencing shortages.

Again, you are not being serious.
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You seem to be assuming there won't be additions ... which are not possible anyway when the tanks are full. The important part of the equation is flow rate (inflow - outflow) and how long before a negative trend empties the reserves. For now, it almost has to be a negative flow rate because the tanks are basically filled. This year the need is known; last year was a year in turmoil - disrupted plans. Same goes with munitions, once there's a stockpile and the transfer mechanism is established, it becomes more an established routine than an emergent need.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Lol. Remember when you said that first 40 billion was going to "bring Russia to its knees"? That obviously never happened.

All you do is parrot mainstream news or jokes you hear on Colbert. Your act in this forum is really growing old. You are simply nothing but a troll.
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Russia doesn't have the common sense to realize they are beat. Or assume they know, Putin can't admit defeat because he'd lose his job ... and likely more. Tyrants and dictators can't afford to be wrong, so they control the news - just the way it works, ask Joey Goebbels (except, well, he's dead - part of a tyranny built on lies - the story of all totalitarians).
 
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AM64 said:
You seem to be assuming there won't be additions ... which are not possible anyway when the tanks are full. The important part of the equation is flow rate (inflow - outflow) and how long before a negative trend empties the reserves. For now, it almost has to be a negative flow rate because the tanks are basically filled. This year the need is known; last year was a year in turmoil - disrupted plans. Same goes with munitions, once there's a stockpile and the transfer mechanism is established, it becomes more an established routine than an emergent need.
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I'm only assuming that whatever additions they have after they reach 100% would still not be enough to prevent shortages and higher prices. That isn't an outlandish or out in left field assumption.
 
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volgr said:
It's war. It hasnt gone how anyone planned.
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That's pretty factual. One side planned a war, and it turned out all wrong. The other side planned for peace, and has to react to a war. So as you say it hasn't gone how anybody planned. That's how it usually goes - one country or one tyrant can't just let things go undisturbed and screws it up for everybody.
 
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LouderVol said:
I thought only the US blew up civilian infrastructure?
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I said it early on if you want to win a war you have to make it as uncomfortable as possible for the civilians far away from the battlefield. In this case it was targeting Kiev and turning out the lights. Putin pussyfooted around until it was almost too late.
 
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LouderVol said:
This is the problem with your agenda. You believe they arent fighting and killing Ukraine. You actually believe this is some set back to this gay western nazi death cult you have made up. That the outcome of this war will somehow change the culture of the nation or the region. It wont touch that in the slightest.

It's a war over territory. Nothing more, no less.
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I said from day one a peaceful negotiation should be found so that Ukrainians aren't needlessly killed. So, I get they are righting and killing Ukrainians. However, there is a much bigger agenda on the table for the West, and it isn't the narrative being sold (protecting Ukraine in a regional conflict with their older brother, Russia). Again, if this was about territory, Russia could have much more easily taken all they wanted in 2014. Your talking point aren't supported with anything other than western propaganda. Wake up.
 
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volgr said:
No it hasnt. Are you nuts? They've lost a significant portion of their Country. They've lost a significant portion of their infrastructure. They've lost a critical portion of their best trained military and weapons. What have they gained??
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Ever looked at the Korean War or WW2? It's not unusual for an invader to make a lot of initial gain and lose it all. S. Korea was initially compressed into a small pocket around Pusan in the extreme south; entire countries were lost in WW2; but in the end the invaders lost what they first took. What Russia initially captured (and will lose) in Ukraine is minimal to losses when compared to other conflicts. It all has to do with an initial planned and usually unexpected push, and time for the invaded to react and respond. History says that if you don't win the initial strike - deliver a total knockout blow, you are probably going to lose.
 
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AM64 said:
Ever looked at the Korean War or WW2? It's not unusual for an invader to make a lot of initial gain and lose it all.
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Sure and it could happen here, but only if Western boots get involved. Ukraine isn't going to retake Crimea without serious help (more than Western funding and arms). Let's get real.
 
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