War in Ukraine

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#49,953
MG1968 said:
Putin pussyfooted around until it was almost too late.
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He didn't want to take it to this point. They had a deal on the table in April and then BoJo flew in and nixed the deal. And for that matter, even before 02/24/2022, Putin was hoping Minsk ceasefire agreements would be implemented in the previous 8 years.
 
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volgr said:
I said from day one a peaceful negotiation should be found so that Ukrainians aren't needlessly killed. So, I get they are righting and killing Ukrainians. However, there is a much bigger agenda on the table for the West, and it isn't the narrative being sold (protecting Ukraine in a regional conflict with their older brother, Russia). Again, if this was about territory, Russia could have much more easily taken all they wanted in 2014. Your talking point aren't supported with anything other than western propaganda. Wake up.
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Or taken Kazakhstan back in January... Or Georgia in 2008 for that matter.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
He didn't want to take it to this point. They had a deal on the table in April and then BoJo flew in and nixed the deal. And for that matter, even before 02/24/2022, Putin was hoping Minsk ceasefire agreements would be implemented in the previous 8 years.
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Putin as the victim of the rascally Western Death Cult isn’t the flex you think it is.
 
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BreatheUT said:
Lol....how many of y'all believe these chicks are actually fighting?

They pretty though.
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These Ukrainian trolls believe everything they can find on Twitter.

And like I said previously it's gotten to the point where they turned this thread from a comedy into Volnation's version of Dynasty.
 
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volgr said:
Why? That makes no sense. Russia has been fighting low birthrates for decades. They have a plethora of land and resources already.
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Outside of Kiev the east has some of the highest population density in Ukraine. And it's an actually productive area, russia has tons of resources but relatively little are as productive as eastern Ukraine. Grabbing this territory gives Putin a relatively easy boost in both economy and population.

With that population decline it seems really dumb to send your military to war, killing off at least some more of your healthy male population. the ensuing conscription debacle is also a head scratcher if he was worried about his population.

Putin only cares about power. His actions have proven as much. Ukraine was no longer solely under his thumb. His only option was war after HIS diplomacy failed.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
He didn't want to take it to this point. They had a deal on the table in April and then BoJo flew in and nixed the deal. And for that matter, even before 02/24/2022, Putin was hoping Minsk ceasefire agreements would be implemented in the previous 8 years.
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Really? So when in those 8 years did Putin uphold his side of the ceasefire agreements?

You would have an argument if Russia had pulled its forces out and stopped it's own military actions in the area, including shelling Ukraine. Then you would have a legitimate argument that Ukraine was THE bad actor. As it was, both country were bad actors in regards to the ceasefire, meaning Putin has no high ground to cast grievances from.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Or taken Kazakhstan back in January... Or Georgia in 2008 for that matter.
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They did take parts of Georgia. And in January he very clearly had other targets on his mind with his huge military build up on Ukraine's border. Stop acting like Putin is some paragon or virtuous activity.
 
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volgr said:
Been much more of a trick than a treat for Ukraine. 2 more destroyed a couple days ago.
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If my count is right yall up to 60 destroyed, give or take a handful. How many did we ship them? Their destruction has been oft posted and claimed, and they keep turning up. Heck yall claimed half that we shipped were destroyed as they crossed the border.
 
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MG1968 said:
This hero worship of Putin is getting pretty cultish as well.
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There is nothing weird about spouting that a world leader is fighting the devil and going to save the soul of humanity.....
Nothing at all. No one in history has ever falsely claimed that prerogative to justify their own atrocities.

You know as long as you ignore all of history. Like literally all of it.
 
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LouderVol said:
If my count is right yall up to 60 destroyed, give or take a handful. How many did we ship them? Their destruction has been oft posted and claimed, and they keep turning up. Heck yall claimed half that we shipped were destroyed as they crossed the border.
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Yeah, but his Russian state sponsored news sources on Telegram are factually superior to anything we could possibly muster. The hilarity of them mocking western media propaganda while their boy pootin is literally throwing journalists in jail for telling the truth shouldn't be lost on anyone.
 
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