War in Ukraine

[DonjoVol]

Again. You are assigning arguments I havent made.

I dont care if Transnistria exists. I have never once posted approval or disapproval of Transnistrian existence. A real easy victory for you would to actually link to me doing this.

But just like all of your assumptions you make up an argument and cant actually link to where I said what you say I said.

I merely stated they wouldnt be a "country" without the Russians. Period. End of statement. You take offense at that and think it must mean I dont want them to exist. It simply means I dont think they would exist without Russia, you are making my arguments more complicated than they are.

I have even stated I would be fine with all of these "independence" movements if Russia left. Because right now they are invasions and occupations.

The fact that you argue that Ukraine shouldnt exist, and doesnt have historical grounds for its borders is laughable when you throw out examples like Transnistria which have far less clout than Ukraine.

Russia doesnt even officially recognize Transnstria as an independent nation. Probably because they have occupied them for 30 years, and it's hard to argue their statehood when you are the sole thing propping them up.
Moldova expresses "deep concern" over Russian general's Transnistria comments

Once again I'm going to remind you that Transnistria's independence movement started in the late 1980s when it was still part of the Moldova SSR. They decided to have their independence on their own without the help of the current country of Russia or the non existent Soviet Union. Russia never invaded Transnistria. You are simply making stuff up at this point.

When the Soviet Union dissolved it was only natural for regions like Transnistria, Abkhazia, and South Ossetia to want to break away from Moldova and Georgia. You don't want them to be independent or determine their own fate because the media convinced you otherwise.

If you are upset that there are Russian troops there then I'm going to assume you are upset that the U.S. has troops stationed all over the world. Is that correct?

I never said Ukraine shouldn't exist. If I did then show me where I said that.

 

[apevol]

Lol close. Have another Vicodin

You hurting bad? What happened?

implant w/ bone graft

 

[apevol]

I'm not a Pistons fan lol. I've explained that before. I'm a Celtics fan but I do appreciate that artwork I found of Dumars and Thomas. And they eventually were the ones who ended the Celtics dynasty in the Eastern Conference.

Lary Bird's Mama's driveway and cocaine on draft night ended the C's

 

[DonjoVol]

Lary Bird's Mama's driveway and cocaine on draft night ended the C's

I don't think Bird or McHale had the best conditioning programs in the off-season. They both were great but there's a reason Parrish was a Celtic longer than both of them.

 

[apevol]

I don't think Bird or McHale had the best conditioning programs in the off-season. They both were great but there's a reason Parrish was a Celtic longer than both of them.

How many guys with that kind of talent spend their off time getting drunk and pouring their mama's driveway? no way any franchise lets that happen now

 

[PEPPERJAX]

I don't think Bird or McHale had the best conditioning programs in the off-season. They both were great but there's a reason Parrish was a Celtic longer than both of them.

I am almost certain that Parrish was a descendant of Methuselah.

 

[AM64]

implant w/ bone graft

Hope it works and you are feeling better soon.

 

[apevol]

Hope it works and you are feeling better soon.

thanks!

 

[Septic]

implant w/ bone graft

implant? "bone graft" you say?

Was the surgery between $16,000 and and $19,000?

 

[NorthDallas40]

implant? "bone graft" you say?

Was the surgery between $16,000 and and $19,000?

 

[apevol]

implant? "bone graft" you say?

Was the surgery between $16,000 and and $19,000?

not gonna mess with cockasaurus rex

 

[tvolsfan]

 

[JuicyBrucey]

There are russian soldiers in those "countries". Those "countries" did not, or would not exist without those soldiers.

Those are the historical facts. Please point to any of those existing in the modern era without the involvement of an outside third party. Because every example has been AFTER Russia, soviets for Transnistria, got involved.

The soviet union collapsed at the end of 1991. Transnistria got violent and deadly jn late 1990, before the collapse of the USSR. So there is a link to the Soviet era.

When things got worse in 1992 the now Russians were already in Transnistria. They never left after the fall of the Soviets. The Russians didnt have to fly in elements of the 14th army. They were already there. And you might want to look at what Russian VP Rutosky did as well. He gave a speech telling Transistria to fight for their freedom with his troops already there helping to arm the locals. That plus there deployment in several battles they played key rolls even without directly fighting.

As I said, and you keep denying, Transistria would not exist without the Russian/Soviet interference in a local affair.

I dont see anyway to argue that Transnistria would exist without the occupying Russians, who are still there 30 years later.

That's what Sarah's girls have been saying about South Korea in this thread, that it wouldn't exist without the presence of foreign soldiers.

 

[JuicyBrucey]

So as usual Brucey is ignoring context to attempt to make an idiotic incorrect point. The Crimea remarks in question occurred in 2015. Zelensky was a private citizen and more specifically a comedian. All that video clip shows is his comedy routine. He didn’t even announce his candidacy until December 2018. So I really see no relevance is a comedian doing dark humor well before he even declared his candidacy. Speculating here but he might not have even thought to run for the job yet in 2015 it was a shocker he won

Zelensky didn't do "dark humor" about Jews in concentration camps drooling over sandwiches. Why? Because he identifies with them. He ridiculed the Crimeans for the same reason the acting president at the time Poroshenko boasted about how kids in the Donbas would be in basements while kids in Kiev would go to schools. He said, "We will have jobs—they will not. We will have pensions—they will not. Our children will go to schools and kindergartens—theirs will hide in the basements." Poroshenko and Zelensky didn't identify with their own citizens of other ethnic groups the same way Hitler discriminated against Jews and Roma ostracized them.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Zelensky didn't do "dark humor" about Jews in concentration camps drooling over sandwiches. Why? Because he identifies with them. He ridiculed the Crimeans for the same reason the acting president at the time Poroshenko boasted about how kids in the Donbas would be in basements while kids in Kiev would go to schools. He said, "We will have jobs—they will not. We will have pensions—they will not. Our children will go to schools and kindergartens—theirs will hide in the basements." Poroshenko and Zelensky didn't identify with their own citizens of other ethnic groups the same way Hitler discriminated against Jews and Roma ostracized them.

Like I said Brucey when you get onto a really stupid dipshit narrative you just can’t let go! And the fake pearl clutching drama is a nice touch. You’re a solid addition to the Pootin stooge collective. Congrats!

 

[JuicyBrucey]

As you tell us how much you don't hate "our" country, you backhand the presidents and soldiers. You make a nice addition to dogo, volgr and ras, they're all struggling to convince us of their patriotism as well.

What you mental midgets keep conflating is that our support of Ukraine is extended only up to the point to where it fights off Russia, not beyond.

You worship Joe Biden and view dissent as a lack of patriotism. We'll just have to agree to disagree about the greatness of Biden and other government employees.

Whereas I want the US Treasury to fund only things that build up the USA and definitely do not want a single penny to go to Russia or Ukraine, you want the USA to send money to foreign countries when it obviously hurts the USA, because the only thing that matters to you is you and your ego, not the USA. You're a "patriot" the same way Roland Freisler was a "patriot" and couldn't stand criticism of his head of state or armed forces the same way you can't.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

So Russia has a $60 billion annual budget for its military... which is about the same (or possibly less than) what the West/NATO has sent to Ukraine in just 8 months.

 

[MontyPython]

Latest pics from Crimean Bridge. Car bridge now disassembled.

Note that the railroad Bridge still has melted components. Curious. Presume it's otherwise working fine?

 

[KB5252]

That's what Sarah's girls have been saying about South Korea in this thread, that it wouldn't exist without the presence of foreign soldiers.

But then neither would North Korea.

 

[Velo Vol]

So Russia has a $60 billion annual budget for its military... which is about the same (or possibly less than) what the West/NATO has sent to Ukraine in just 8 months.

And obviously Russia has only used equipment that was funded in this year's budget, not any of its inventory from prior years.

 

[Rocky_Top_Vol13]

 

[C/O]

840? That’s a big number.

 

[tvolsfan]

 

[LouderVol]

And you tell me where I'm wrong on the history of Abkhazia and South Ossetia and how both the Abkhaz and Ossetian people had their issues over the years with Georgians. I'll be waiting.

And the Russians came in after the fall of the Soviet Union out of the goodness of their hearts, despite being the same guys who forced them in with the Georgians in the first place....

 

[LouderVol]

Once again I'm going to remind you that Transnistria's independence movement started in the late 1980s when it was still part of the Moldova SSR. They decided to have their independence on their own without the help of the current country of Russia or the non existent Soviet Union. Russia never invaded Transnistria. You are simply making stuff up at this point.

When the Soviet Union dissolved it was only natural for regions like Transnistria, Abkhazia, and South Ossetia to want to break away from Moldova and Georgia. You don't want them to be independent or determine their own fate because the media convinced you otherwise.

If you are upset that there are Russian troops there then I'm going to assume you are upset that the U.S. has troops stationed all over the world. Is that correct?

I never said Ukraine shouldn't exist. If I did then show me where I said that.

I am upset that we have troops in active warzones. You can find those posts in numerous threads. I have even suggested giving host countries of our bases a 1 time out to close any/all bases they want. But after that any reopening would be on their dime.

You are falling for the the same simplicistic trap you are accusing others of. It is entirely possible to hold multiple views. It's why I try to avoid calling you guys Russians, and when I do I try to make it clear it's about your stance ITT, or others when it comes to Ras, as a way to differentiate the sides. Just like I generally avoid name calling.

I say yet again. I am fine with them being their own nations. I am not fine with Russia being involved in the formations of those nations, just like you arent fine with American military bases or deployments.

If Donetsk and Crimea rose up and overthrew Ukraine on their own, I wouldnt care. The fact that an outside party is involved is a problem. Just like the crapshow going on in Yemen, I dont care how that civil war goes, but I cant support Saudis involvement. Same with Kurdistan in Syria, I hope the Kurds win, but we shouldnt have troops there.

Remove any/all direct foreign intervention and I am ok with letting the dice land as they fall.