War in Ukraine

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JuicyBrucey said:
That's what Sarah's girls have been saying about South Korea in this thread, that it wouldn't exist without the presence of foreign soldiers.
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It existed before our soldiers got there. We got that special invitation that means we get to be there. That's how this works right?

North Korea wouldnt exist without the foreign troops they had either. Or all of the free equipment/food/resources China and Russia gave them, and to some part still do.
 
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LouderVol said:
I am upset that we have troops in active warzones. You can find those posts in numerous threads. I have even suggested giving host countries of our bases a 1 time out to close any/all bases they want. But after that any reopening would be on their dime.

You are falling for the the same simplicistic trap you are accusing others of. It is entirely possible to hold multiple views. It's why I try to avoid calling you guys Russians, and when I do I try to make it clear it's about your stance ITT, or others when it comes to Ras, as a way to differentiate the sides. Just like I generally avoid name calling.

I say yet again. I am fine with them being their own nations. I am not fine with Russia being involved in the formations of those nations, just like you arent fine with American military bases or deployments.

If Donetsk and Crimea rose up and overthrew Ukraine on their own, I wouldnt care. The fact that an outside party is involved is a problem. Just like the crapshow going on in Yemen, I dont care how that civil war goes, but I cant support Saudis involvement. Same with Kurdistan in Syria, I hope the Kurds win, but we shouldnt have troops there.

Remove any/all direct foreign intervention and I am ok with letting the dice land as they fall.
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I never said I was against American military bases or deployments. But if we are allowed to have them then other countries are as well. Including Russia. The problem is you have guys on this thread who think that the U.S. and its so called "allies" are the only ones allowed to have any military presence in the world. Not only is this an arrogant attitude to have but it is wrong as well.

And we've gone over this before. You and others had no problem with U.S. involvement in Ukraine previously which they helped with the coup that ousted Yanukovych. He wasn't playing ball the way the U.S. and European political elite wanted him to so they helped get rid of a democratically elected president. Which is the reason you saw Donetsk and Luhansk form independence movements and why Crimea decided on their own not to be a part of Ukraine. You guys can try to spin it any other way but those are the facts and how things transpired. The U.S. military industrial complex also needs these conflicts as well in order to sell their products.

Speaking of Saudi involvement in Yemen. How much in weapons have the U.S. sold Saudi Arabia that the Saudis have been using over the years to attack Yemen. So the U.S. is involved in Yemen just like they are in Ukraine. We don't have to have troops on the ground to be involved.

And once again the independence movements in Transnistria, Abkhazia, and South Ossetia were not encouraged by the Soviet Union nor Russia. Russia did not invade any of those regions either. You are grasping for straws in that argument because western media and politicians do not approve of those independence movements. So you're simply going along with what they're saying without researching the full history and original history behind those conflicts. Which you refuse to do.
 
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LouderVol said:
And the Russians came in after the fall of the Soviet Union out of the goodness of their hearts, despite being the same guys who forced them in with the Georgians in the first place....
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If the Russians were invited or asked to help on their behalf then you guys and gals should have no problem. Remember it's actual invasions of other countries that you all like to pearl clutch and virtual signal over.
 
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AM64 said:
The whole region was overrun by Russians ... when they were "Soviets". Don't you think dissolving an "empire" and leaving squatters in place changes things? If Russia took back the "Soviets" they planted in places all over the USSR, you and the rest of us know there wouldn't be much movement anywhere to "rejoin" Russia.
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Odessa was founded by Catherine the Great before the state of Tennessee even existed.
 
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DonjoVol said:
If the Russians were invited or asked to help on their behalf then you guys and gals should have no problem. Remember it's actual invasions of other countries that you all like to pearl clutch and virtual signal over.
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Actually we’re pointing at the current invasion of Ukraine and calling it what it is while you girls are doing the pearl clutching and trying to sell the “they were invited in” stupidity, Curly 🤡
 
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LouderVol said:
It existed before our soldiers got there. We got that special invitation that means we get to be there. That's how this works right?

North Korea wouldnt exist without the foreign troops they had either. Or all of the free equipment/food/resources China and Russia gave them, and to some part still do.
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South Korea was founded in 1948 and there hasn't been a single day of its existence when American troops weren't on South Korean soil.
 
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volinbham said:
I'm sure this was already posted but this crap happens to us every time. Won't be long before our aid to Ukraine ends up being used against us. Endless cycle.

Russia is recruiting Afghan commandos — trained by the U.S. — to fight in Ukraine
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Now we know where at least some of the $80 billion in hardware the US military left behind in Afghanistan will end up.

Sarah's girls will soon be saying, "The Russians are desperate! They're getting supplied by the Taliban!"
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Actually we’re pointing at the current invasion of Ukraine and calling it what it is while you girls are doing the pearl clutching and trying to sell the “they were invited in” stupidity, Curly 🤡
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And I'm pointing out the fact that Russia didn't invade Transnistria, South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Anyways you should get back to playing games on your Commodore 64 and let the adults like myself and Louder continue having our debate.
 
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DonjoVol said:
And I'm pointing out the fact that Russia didn't invade Transnistria, South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Anyways you should get back to playing games on your Commodore 64 and let the adults like myself and Louder continue having our debate.
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Actually you’re trying to conflate an inserted occupying force whose purpose is to control the locals and oppress them with foreign US bases that actually were invited in, participate in the local economy, and provide an economic boost to the regions they are in. And we are mocking you and laughing at you because of it.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
And the Grand Duchy of Moscow was founded by the Kievan Rus, Brucey. You know, Ukraine. And none of that has anything to do with the current period and Russia invading Ukraine.
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Try to keep up. The other Sarah's girl said the Russian population in the region was because of migration during the Soviet era. Yet, Odessa was founded by Russians 123 years before the USSR was established. They didn't just pick up and move there after 1917.
 
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volinbham said:
I'm sure this was already posted but this crap happens to us every time. Won't be long before our aid to Ukraine ends up being used against us. Endless cycle.

Russia is recruiting Afghan commandos — trained by the U.S. — to fight in Ukraine
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Ok now I read the whole article. These are ex pats living largely in Iran and forced to leave Afghanistan out of fear of retribution from the Taliban. They don’t want to do it but they need to make a living. And we provided them with the skills to do that. Oof.
 
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JuicyBrucey said:
Try to keep up. The other Sarah's girl said the Russian population in the region was because of migration during the Soviet era. Yet, Odessa was founded by Russians 123 years before the USSR was established. They didn't just pick up and move there after 1917.
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Oh I’m all caught up on your stupid **** “Butwhatabout…” Brucey. My point has as much bearing as the stupidity you’ve brought forth. Zero.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
I guess I more see the irony in the idiot Afghans being more amenable to working with the people that invading them two times ago than the just prior departed invader 🤷‍♂️
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Keep in mind that Ukrainians were also part of the Soviet force that invaded Afghanistan. It wasn't just Russians alone. Moreover, Brezhnev was the leader of the USSR at the time, and he was Ukrainian.
 
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JuicyBrucey said:
Keep in mind that Ukrainians were also part of the Soviet force that invaded Afghanistan. It wasn't just Russians alone. Moreover, Brezhnev was the leader of the USSR at the time, and he was Ukrainian.
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So residents of the Ukraine SSR which was indisputably controlled by Russia SSR and a part of the now dissolved Soviet Union participated in the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. An absolutely shocking revelation Brucey 😂🤡
 
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volinbham said:
not the "our money is being used for both sides of this conflict angle?" (again)
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One post behind. That post was in response to the headline. Yes we absolutely created the situation to put them on the opposing side of our equipment and support after I got by the knee jerk and read it.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
So residents of the Ukraine SSR which was indisputably controlled by Russia SSR and a part of the now dissolved Soviet Union participated in the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. An absolutely shocking revelation Brucey 😂🤡
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Brezhnev, a Ukrainian, sent them in. Maybe the Ukrainians will turn over a new leaf and actually win a war they start this time. I have my doubts, but it's within the realm of possibility and time will tell.
 
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