War in Ukraine

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AM64 said:
You mean in 1950 that Korea would have fallen to a Communist backed N Korean surge into S Korea if we and the UN hadn't gotten it turned around - and that a few months later S Korea would have been taken by the Chinese - not the N Koreans if not for the US and the UN. Probably both could have been averted if McArthur had decent intelligence and had a clue what was happening in Korea. My family (including me) was stationed at Kimpo in 1947-48. I learned from my parents later that the N Koreans were always infiltrating and even some maids and houseboys in US homes turned out to be N Korean spies.

Take away Russian and Chinese support for N Korea, and S Korea would do just fine on it's own now. What you and others here fail to understand is that without Russian and Chinese meddling around the world, we wouldn't need to be countering them.
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McCarthur was warned and he just chose not to listen or believe the Chinese would cross.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
So Russia has a $60 billion annual budget for its military... which is about the same (or possibly less than) what the West/NATO has sent to Ukraine in just 8 months.
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So if you adjust for other factors like standards of living, cost of labor, and other factors, what is the actual comparison to the US budget. Do you think the Chinese actually pay a comparable cost in dollars to build a weapon cloned from our own? Keep in mind the lack of R&D required, and the cost of labor that makes it cheaper to build and ship stuff from China over building it here. The Soviets built the Russian aircraft industry - so a lot of costs are just not comparable to those of western counties. I will give both the Russians and maybe the Chinese points for crude and effective over gold plated, and hard to keep in service. Apple and oranges always trip up your kind of analyses.
 
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JuicyBrucey said:
Sarah's girl #3: The Russians weren't in the region until the Soviet era.
Stooge #4: Russians founded Odessa in 1794.
Sarah's girl #2: Which means they weren't there until the Soviet era.
Stooge #4: The USSR was established in 1917.
Sarah's girl #2: Which means the Russians founded Odessa in the Soviet era.

You gals have gotten high as a kite from sniffing Sarah's braps. o_O
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Not sure what any of this means, or if you are trying to make some sort of point. Either way, Russia’s historical connections to the region are irrelevant.
 
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McCarthur was warned and he just chose not to listen or believe the Chinese would cross.
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Yep, even back to WW2, MacArthur had a lot of intelligence failures. You are only as good as your staff and the information you have on hand kind of thing, and Charles Willoughby was apparently an arrogant and monumental fool. Not sure that militarily MacArthur was as good as everybody thought either. His one trick was to let the enemy extend itself and then sever support for the striking force like at Inchon. One thing you can say for MacArthur was that he read the defeated Japanese well and managed the situation far better than our diplomats have ever done in a similar case. Hard to imagine the Far East today if he had not helped turn Japan into the country it has become - and a staunch ally in the region.
 
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There have been isolated protests of US troops since the 70s. When I was stationed there it was called protest season in the spring right before monsoon season. College kids protested every spring and it was mainly about their mandatory service.
 
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JuicyBrucey said:
South Korea was founded in 1948 and there hasn't been a single day of its existence when American troops weren't on South Korean soil.
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Your point? Korea was held by Japan during WW2. We had occupation forces in many countries after WW2, and we helped them rebuild and restructure - they became host countries for our troops and willing allies rather than countries annexed by a conqueror like Russia. You do, for example, understand the difference between North and South Korea and East and West Germany I hope. Or that we have bases in places like England, but not like the Soviets had in Poland, Hungary, etc. Also how long do you think Castro would have kept Cuba without Russian backing? Compare our "continuing presence" in the Philippines and most of Micronesia to the fact that Russia isn't in Cuba only because the Soviet Union collapsed ... but China is taking their place. Did you know that Australia is building a base for our B-52s - I guess so we can expand our imperialism on their turf? Chinese aggression in the region would have nothing to do with that.
 
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hog88 said:
There have been isolated protests of US troops since the 70s. When I was stationed there it was called protest season in the spring right before monsoon season. College kids protested every spring and it was mainly about their mandatory service.
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Doesn't look like many college kids in this video.

We had these protests too in Okinawa. They were year round mostly. Small and peaceful protests.
 
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AM64 said:
Yep, even back to WW2, MacArthur had a lot of intelligence failures. You are only as good as your staff and the information you have on hand kind of thing, and Charles Willoughby was apparently an arrogant and monumental fool. Not sure that militarily MacArthur was as good as everybody thought either. His one trick was to let the enemy extend itself and then sever support for the striking force like at Inchon. One thing you can say for MacArthur was that he read the defeated Japanese well and managed the situation far better than our diplomats have ever done in a similar case. Hard to imagine the Far East today if he had not helped turn Japan into the country it has become - and a staunch ally in the region.
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If it wasn't for MacCarthur Japan would have been partitioned like Korea.
 
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JuicyBrucey said:
Brezhnev bit off more than he could chew in Afghanistan. I'm thinking the current generation of Ukrainian bureaucrats are too big for their britches too. But if the Ukrainians do end up defeating the Russians, I'll concede that you and your Sarah Ashton-Cirillo were correct after all.
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Every invader of Afghanistan has bitten off more than he could chew. It's like believing you can pull your hand out of a bucket of water and the hand impression stays. The Middle East is like that - backwards, Islamic, and just not amenable to change.
 
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hog88 said:
There have been isolated protests of US troops since the 70s. When I was stationed there it was called protest season in the spring right before monsoon season. College kids protested every spring and it was mainly about their mandatory service.
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It reeks of western NIMBYism. Good for them continuing to develop their own brand of hypocrisy I guess. They want western protections from the North but just not near them. Hell I’d guess about the safest place you could be is next to a THAAD battery as it’s gonna protect itself from incoming.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Doesn't look like many college kids in this video.

We had these protests too in Okinawa. They were year round mostly. Small and peaceful protests.
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The college kids when I was there have all grown up.

There was a stark difference between Seoul and the countryside old and young people. The people that lived outside the cities were always friendly and welcoming, the older people especially the ones that remembered the war were really friendly. The college kids in Seoul were pricks.
 
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DonjoVol said:
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That demonstration was about as well attended as a Joe Biden campaign stop in 2020.
If they don't want our troops and weapons there, I'm sure we can work out a deal where we will sell them the stuff and pack up and leave. They can then sell their POS Samsung appliances and Hyundai's to North Korea and China for 10 cents on the dollar.
 
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Just realized how 1984 pootins russia is. I have no idea how I didn't make that strong connection before. It's BIG BROTHER 1984 in real life.
 
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hog88 said:
The college kids when I was there have all grown up.

There was a stark difference between Seoul and the countryside old and young people. The people that lived outside the cities were always friendly and welcoming, the older people especially the ones that remembered the war were really friendly. The college kids in Seoul were pricks.
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There are still people in both Okinawa and South Korea that do not want a U.S. presence. We never left either place after WW2 and after the Korean War. So according to some on here that would make the U.S. an occupying force right?
 
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DonjoVol said:
There are still people in both Okinawa and South Korea that do not want a U.S. presence. We never left either place after WW2 and after the Korean War. So according to some on here that would make the U.S. an occupying force right?
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No in fact it does not Curly since their presence was requested and even encouraged by the lawful authorities. Now if those same lawful authorities, or more correctly the new individuals occupying those same offices, request that we peaceably leave and we refuse now you might have a thread to work with. But as usual right now your idiot conflation is hitting bottom on a dry hole. Again. Like always.

An before you even try locally installed puppets by Russia whom are not confirmed by the Ukrainian government are not lawful authorities.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
No in fact it does not Curly since their presence was requested and even encouraged by the lawful authorities. Now if those same lawful authorities, or more correctly the new individuals occupying those same offices, request that we peaceably leave and we refuse now you might have a thread to work with. But as usual right now your idiot conflation is hitting bottom on a dry hole. Again. Like always.

An before you even try locally installed puppets by Russia whom are not confirmed by the Ukrainian government are not lawful authorities.
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And if there are Russian troops in Transnistria, Abkhazia and South Ossetia it is because they were asked to be there. Therefore according to what you and others are saying they are not an invading or occupying force.

If you and others do have a problem with it then the hypocrisy of you bumbling trolls is on full display once again.
 
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