War in Ukraine

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The technology in Iranian drones doesn't seem that difficult. I was flying model airplanes with engines in the early 60s - didn't have the radio controlled types, but sometimes it's just a matter of scale. Things are or can be so much easier today with digital technology, advances in robotics, and definitely with satellites that can tell you where you are - along with Google Earth (and similar) to give you the coordinates where you want to be. You could imagine a very rudimentary fly by wire control system with a hacked and modified cellphone as the directional brain - Waze and other programs on phones already tell you how to get from place to place. Anyway look what was found in one of the Iranian drones. There's always a market for banned technology in places like Iran ... and always somebody willing to smuggle what they want for a price.

Rotax Engine Found In Iranian Mohajer-6 Drone Downed Over Ukraine
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Uhh huh... you are right. I agree. So why have these low tech drones been so problematic?
 
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Makes you think that since Russia needs passage through the Bosporus Strait they would think twice about attacking/sinking Turkish ships. But then Russians are always going to Russia things, so no guarantees on that logic.
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Erdogan and Putin almost talk on a weekly basis. Do you really think Putin and Erdogan at this point are going to ruin their relationship?
 
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DonjoVol said:
And if there are Russian troops in Transnistria, Abkhazia and South Ossetia it is because they were asked to be there. Therefore according to what you and others are saying they are not an invading or occupying force.

If you and others do have a problem with it then the hypocrisy of you bumbling trolls is on full display once again.
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Once again by lawful authorities Curly. For some reason you kept leaving that part out. And just as in Crimea and Donbass those are unlawful occupations. Don’t bother even mentioning referendums they are also unlawful.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Once again by lawful authorities Curly. For some reason you kept leaving that part out. And just as in Crimea and Donbass those are unlawful occupations. Don’t bother even mentioning referendums they are also unlawful.
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The people of Crimea and the Donbass would rather be a part of Russia. If they want to make that decision then it's up to them. Not you or me. Did you have this same problem with Kosovo's independence? Or Montenegro's independence?
 
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DonjoVol said:
The people of Crimea and the Donbass would rather be a part of Russia. If they want to make that decision then it's up to them. Not you or me. Did you have this same problem with Kosovo's independence? Or Montenegro's independence?
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Try to focus Curly. In Crimea, Donbass, and yes even Transnistria you have cases where the Russian military actively intervened in an internal civil matter which is none of their business. All three cases are still recognized by the world as illegal occupations. And I have no desire to play your ping ponging “Butwhatabout….” All of your assertions of Russian military presence in Ukraine or Moldova being legal are patently false.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Try to focus Curly. In Crimea, Donbass, and yes even Transnistria you have cases where the Russian military actively intervened in an internal civil matter which is none of their business. All three cases are still recognized by the world as illegal occupations. And I have no desire to play your ping ponging “Butwhatabout….” All of your assertions of Russian military presence in Ukraine or Moldova being legal are patently false.
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They didn't intervene in the matter when it comes to Transnistria. Transnistria wanted to break free from the Moldova SSR in the late 1980s. This is a fact that your brain refuses to acknowledge. Perhaps you are either set in your ways or maybe your mind is incapable of processing new information.
Crimea and people in the Donbass don't want to be part of Ukraine. They have already voted on the matter. That should be up for them to decide and not some Armchair Lieutenant like yourself.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Oh my gawd, I've missed about 2 days of dumbness in this thread by the Ukrainiacs. I can't reply to all of this nonsense.
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Yep. And some of these clowns are still living in 1985 and refuse to accept the fact that the Soviet Union no longer exists. They probably think Steve Grogan is still the Patriots QB as well.
 
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DonjoVol said:
They didn't intervene in the matter when it comes to Transnistria. Transnistria wanted to break free from the Moldova SSR in the late 1980s. This is a fact that your brain refuses to acknowledge. Perhaps you are either set in your ways or maybe your mind is incapable of processing new information.
Crimea and people in the Donbass don't want to be part of Ukraine. They have already voted on the matter. That should be up for them to decide and not some Armchair Lieutenant like yourself.
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That is patently false. After the breakup of the USSR, Moldova had ongoing civil unrest in Transnistria. In 1992 the Russian 14th Guards were inserted into the conflict and Russia became an active participant. Just like they did in Donbass and Crimea. That is the factual representation of the situation.

And ALL of those stupid ass Russian orchestrated votes or referendums or whatever you want to call them are illegal. Period.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Yep. And some of these clowns are still living in 1985 and refuse to accept the fact that the Soviet Union no longer exists. They probably think Steve Grogan is still the Patriots QB as well.
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That’s rich as hell coming from the clown collective that flip flops back and forth between Russia and the USSR history to try and sell whatever stupid ass Russian propaganda they’re pushing Curly 🤡
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
That is patently false. After the breakup of the USSR, Moldova had ongoing civil unrest in Transnistria. In 1992 the Russian 14th Guards were inserted into the conflict and Russia became an active participant. Just like they did in Donbass and Crimea. That is the factual representation of the situation.

And ALL of those stupid ass Russian orchestrated votes or referendums or whatever you want to call them are illegal. Period.
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It's not patently false. The tensions between Moldova and Transnistria started to occur in the late 1980s. This was due to the rise of Moldova nationalism. Transnistria was more ethnically diverse as it consisted of Russians, Moldovans and Ukrainians. Even many Moldovans living in Transnistria had no desire to be part of Moldova. You can spin things anyway you want to fit your one sided pro Western narrative. But that doesn't make it true. Transnistria has also successfully governed themselves for almost 30 years now. Why does that bother you so much?
 
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DonjoVol said:
It's not patently false. The tensions between Moldova and Transnistria started to occur in the late 1980s. This was due to the rise of Moldova nationalism. Transnistria was more ethnically diverse as it consisted of Russians, Moldovans and Ukrainians. Even many Moldovans living in Transnistria had no desire to be part of Moldova. You can spin things anyway you want to fit your one sided pro Western narrative. But that doesn't make it true. Transnistria has also successfully governed themselves for almost 30 years now. Why does that bother you so much?
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Yes it is patently false. The country of RUSSIA was an active participant in the Transnistria War and deployed the 14th Guards Army which after reorganization is part of the JCC today… another shill “referendum” established at the point of RUSSIAN occupying bayonets. Womp womp. 🤡

Transnistria is not recognized as any kind of independent state outside of Russia and their usual lapdogs. And Russia troops occupy Transnistria to to day. In fact Pootin agreed to withdraw his occupying forces as late as 2016 I believe but it appears he’s got other ideas now. As usual.
 
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I guess that this will be decided on the battlefield or if people over there are lucky, the negotiating table. This is the way history works. No damn sketchy vote will decide this. All large, successful countries have taken territory or defended it no matter what some in these territories thought about it, no matter what previous historical maps have shown. Look at history, not what certain people think is right or wrong. This is the way it has worked, and will continue to work.
 
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norrislakevol said:
I guess that this will be decided on the battlefield or if people over there are lucky, the negotiating table. This is the way history works. No damn sketchy vote will decide this. All large, successful countries have taken territory or defended it no matter what some in these territories thought about it, no matter what previous historical maps have shown. Look at history, not what certain people think is right or wrong. This is the way it has worked, and will continue to work.
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Diplomacy only works when both parties in conflict want it to work. Russia is run by a bunch of backwards ass authoritarian zealots with no desire for diplomacy other than to stall and buy time to rearm and rebuild before their next conquest campaign.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Yes it is patently false. The country of RUSSIA was an active participant in the Transnistria War and deployed the 14th Guards Army which after reorganization is part of the JCC today… another shill “referendum” established at the point of RUSSIAN occupying bayonets. Womp womp. 🤡

Transnistria is not recognized as any kind of independent state outside of Russia and their usual lapdogs. And Russia troops occupy Transnistria to to day. In fact Pootin agreed to withdraw his occupying forces as late as 2016 I believe but it appears he’s got other ideas now. As usual.
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Once again. You are blatantly ignoring the origins of Transnistria's independence movement which began in the late 1980s due to the reasons I have explained already multiple times. That is a fact. Even some American universities recognize this fact.

If there are Russian troops in Transnistria its because they were asked and invited to be there. Therefore that does not make it an occupation like you claim.

Transnistria has their own government and have been governing themselves without the help of Moldova or the West. The fact they have a successful and functioning government free from western interference is probably what bothers you the most.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Once again. You are blatantly ignoring the origins of Transnistria's independence movement which began in the late 1980s due to the reasons I have explained already multiple times. That is a fact. Even some American universities recognize this fact.

If there are Russian troops in Transnistria its because they were asked and invited to be there. Therefore that does not make it an occupation like you claim.

Transnistria has their own government and have been governing themselves without the help of Moldova or the West. The fact they have a successful and functioning government free from western interference is probably what bothers you the most.
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I’m stating to you the actual real political landscape as recognized by anybody not hugging Pootin’s nutsack.

The lawful government of Moldova is the only entity that could invite the Russians in. They did no such thing. You keep leaving that out of your stupid excuses.

Russia inserted itself in a civil war and forced a shill illegal vote/referendum just like they have done in Ukraine. They agreed to leave in 2016. They’re still there. The rest of your diatribe is background noise.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Diplomacy only works when both parties in conflict want it to work. Russia is run by a bunch of backwards ass authoritarian zealots with no desire for diplomacy other than to stall and buy time to rearm and rebuild before their next conquest campaign.
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That's right, recent history has proven this. They will want land concessions, so this will likely just be settled on the battlefield. History is full fo this.
 
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Happens all over. Often it's protestors organized by factions such as a communist or leftist groups - we have the same kind of vermin here, but they don't represented the mainstream. Okinawa back in my days there had Japanese communist party demonstrators - we were given the word to stay away. A few times they picketed our gates, so we drove 2 1/2 trucks rather than jeeps. There are groups protesting on and off in Okinawa today against our military - supposedly "because we create noise pollution" or something else - sometimes the argument is our presence there "makes Okinawa a target". They may be backed by radical Japanese groups or they may be backed by the Chinese - Okinawa is just over 400 miles from Taiwan, and able to support Taiwan. There's always somebody wanting to stir the pot.
 
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