War in Ukraine

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Rasputin_Vol said:
That you should be very, very suspicious about the information you are getting from the mainstream media. I think after what we have seen over the last 2 years, this should be pretty obvious.
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Though our record on journalism is much more historically respected and accurate I certainly take it with a grain of salt given some of the recent incidents. How about we apply those same standards plus a little extra to Russia given their history of force feeding the people only the states position?
 
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DonjoVol said:
Last 2 years? It's more like the last 20 years it seems. Plus it should also be a clue when they are trying to shut down and censor other news outlets and independent journalists.
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And the Russian record in this instance is any better? I'm fine with being skeptical about reports, especially from major outlets but we should take equal if not more skepticism towards the Russian state position/reporting.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Russia was invited to come to Syria by the actual government of Syria. The U.S. was not. Therefore according to your logic the U.S. is an occupying force in Syria.
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Because there was a civil war going on and they needed someone to prop them up. Doesn't sound like the people were very happy with him.
 
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KB5252 said:
And the Russian record in this instance is any better? I'm fine with being skeptical about reports, especially from major outlets but we should take equal if not more skepticism towards the Russian state position/reporting.
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I was not referring to Russian media. Talking about U.S. media. You guys are starting the whataboutisms and non sequiturs bright and early this morning.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
lol back clueless stooge it’s isht up to Transnistria it’s up to the lawfully elected government of Moldova as it’s their sovereign territory. Damn your troll game sucks 🤡
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Transnistria revolted and decided not to be part of Moldova on their own. LouderVol even said he was okay if people decided to revolt on their own. Plus you are still ignoring the fact that Transnistria has governed on their own successfully for almost 30 years.
 
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KB5252 said:
Though our record on journalism is much more historically respected and accurate I certainly take it with a grain of salt given some of the recent incidents. How about we apply those same standards plus a little extra to Russia given their history of force feeding the people only the states position?
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If I were getting my news and information strictly from Russian media, you would be correct in calling this out.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Transnistria revolted and decided not to be part of Moldova on their own. LouderVol even said he was okay if people decided to revolt on their own. Plus you are still ignoring the fact that Transnistria has governed on their own successfully for almost 30 years.
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Yep we both are ok if people decide to revolt. And we both are not ok with external forces like Russia involving themselves in the civil war.

You keep doing this stupidity of dropping that second part off. You’re not fooling anyone, Russian stooge, eveyone sees it. And in the last two pages you’ve doubled down on Russian invasion and expansion is perfectly fine while anyone else assisting in blocking Russia is wrong. You’re an obvious clown Curly 🤡
 
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DonjoVol said:
I thought invitations were okay? Remember it's invasions that you guys and gals are upset with. Russia didn't invade Transnistria, Abkhazia or South Ossetia. I've also provided the correct historical context behind each of their independence movements. You and others are not okay with their independence movements or them determining their own fate because you've been told so. However you have apparently no issue with independence movements that match a pro western narrative. It's hypocritical and and at this point you and the rest of your crew here aren't denying the hypocrisy.

And I never said it wasn't okay if the U.S. was invited. You are once again putting words into my mouth. Just like I've never came out and supported Russia or Ukraine. However if one doesn't just go right along 100% with the pro Ukraine, anti Russia narrative then they are automatically labeled a "Pootin Stooge" or whatever name and insults the usual trolls in here come up with.
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You have taken plenty of exceptions to us being invited. You complain about us having bases everywhere. We were invited.

You dont have to be 100% Ukrainian. I certainly havent been. You just literally do not question the Russian narrative. In more than 6 months of fighting there has not been one marked case of you not taking the Russian side. Even if you believe our media lies 100% of the time, there are going to be cases they get right over the Russian media just do to the law of averages. But you wont ever cast a critical eye at even the most ridiculous of the Russian BS. It's the same thing you want from people regarding western media, but you wont do it yourself.

I explained the invitation bit, you just continue to ignore my explanation to avoid your own hypocrisy. Invitations only count if the nation is at peace, and/or preexisting. The Ossentians and Donetsk never existed without the Russians being there. Meaning there was no one to invite them. The Russians invited themselves by invading and then justify it by propping up some independence movement AFTER the fact. Yeah sure a small minority of people may have wanted independence but they didnt control the regions that the Russians OCCUPIED.

I dont know how you can say Russia was invited when these "states" didnt even control the territory.

You have never been able to justify what makes the invitation legit.

How big does the independence movement need to be for you? For me they have to at least be able to identify the actual area they want independent and they have to show a majority support for the independence in that region. And they have to have previously acted on the support for independence. These are some basic things that ensure these movements are legitimate and not just some drunks raising the Jolly Roger over a government building as justification for Russia to invade a neighbor.
 
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DonjoVol said:
I was not referring to Russian media. Talking about U.S. media. You guys are starting the whataboutisms and non sequiturs bright and early this morning.
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I'm simply pointing out that often when you refute something from western media you respond with a link to something pro Russian sourced. No whataboutisms needed when stating fact.
 
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DonjoVol said:
You do realize Assad was fighting ISIS and Al Qaeda right?
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The minority in Syria in the east invited them in to fight the wealthy in the western cities who were loyal to Assad. They were invited in by the locals when The US didn't live up to the "line in the sand" rhetoric. Russia and Iran were backing Assad. Do by your and others logic here they were invited. They originally weren't fighting against ISIS or AlQaeda, they joined the fray in the vacuum.
 
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KB5252 said:
The minority in Syria in the east invited them in to fight the wealthy in the western cities who were loyal to Assad. They were invited in by the locals when The US didn't live up to the "line in the sand" rhetoric. Russia and Iran were backing Assad. Do by your and others logic here they were invited. They originally weren't fighting against ISIS or AlQaeda, they joined the fray in the vacuum.
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Are you okay with Isreal's attacks on the sovereign nation of Syria?

Many of those "rebels" Assad was fighting ended up joining or siding with those terrorist groups his military was fighting. If you want the truth you have to stop getting your information from only western mainstream sources.
 
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DonjoVol said:
You do realize Assad was fighting ISIS and Al Qaeda right?
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After he released them to change the narrative from secular rebels to religious terrorists.

The FSA arent religious terrorists and they were kicking Assad's butt because they were mostly old Syrian army units that Assad disbanded or pissed off.

ISIS didnt become a thing until a couple years after the fight had started.

It's weird. Assad was losing and couldnt get international aid because it was an internal affair. Then things just so happen that a "new" terrorist group springs up, lead by a bunch of former Syrian prisoners, that are religious extremists. These extremists first attack the FSA and leave Assad alone. By the time Assad finally starts fighting them he can claim to be fighting Islamic extremists and finally gets the Russian aid he wanted but was otherwise unable to get, and his main enemy was weakened fighting this new threat.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Are you okay with Isreal's attacks on the sovereign nation of Syria?

Many of those "rebels" Assad was fighting ended up joining or siding with those terrorist groups his military was fighting. If you want the truth you have to stop getting your information from only western mainstream sources.
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I know what happened. When the US, Turkey and other nations didn't provide the assistance to back up their rhetoric the rebels resorted to getting assistance from where they could.

That's what happens when you sit the dance out while you're rivals don't. They resort to the worst common denominator out of desperation.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Yep we both are ok if people decide to revolt. And we both are not ok with external forces like Russia involving themselves in the civil war.

You keep doing this stupidity of dropping that second part off. You’re not fooling anyone, Russian stooge, eveyone sees it. And in the last two pages you’ve doubled down on Russian invasion and expansion is perfectly fine while anyone else assisting in blocking Russia is wrong. You’re an obvious clown Curly 🤡
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Transnistria is at peace right now. They are not fighting Moldova anymore. Therefore if Russian troops are there it is by invitation. Based on not only your logic but by the logic of Louder Vol as well. An invitation is not an invasion or occupation. You guys are okay with invitations. You said so yourself. Hopefully I explained it in a way you can understand now Proctor.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Transnistria is at peace right now. They are not fighting Moldova anymore. Therefore if Russian troops are there it is by invitation. Based on not only your logic but by the logic of Louder Vol as well. An invitation is not an invasion or occupation. You guys are okay with invitations. You said so yourself. Hopefully I explained it in a way you can understand now Proctor.
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The stupidest conclusion drawn on this forum this morning. Guess what that’s called Curly 🤡

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KB5252 said:
I didn't say you specifically. You just talk in generalizations and honestly put forth the weakest cases from your quartet.
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I have given some actual history lessons on here. Maybe if you actually knew how to do some research on your own you might actually learn something as well.

Your guys and gals have the same weak arguments. And then you all contradict yourselves a few posts later. Then some of us point it out and the insults start flying lol.
Young and the Restless comes on 1230 EST today. Please make sure you don't miss it. I'm beginning to think that's where you all get all this pearl clutching from.
 
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