War in Ukraine

[PKT_VOL]

Supposedly Russia deployed some of its best troops in Kherson months ago, right?

Those troops started evacuating weeks ago.

 

[Septic]

Tough day to spin up a positive angle from the stooges, maybe they're busy decoding the next wave of RT talking points?

 

[AM64]

Then it should have returned to American taxpayers.

You do understand that the vast majority of this money is just being stuffed into the pockets of politicians and their backers don't you?

Of course, it is, but they are also the people who write the tax laws and set the budget spend the extorted money. It doesn't matter where the money goes; it's not coming back to the taxpayer. And if they don't spend the money on one thing they will spend it on another ... and it still won't be to the benefit of the taxpayer. At this point knocking Russia down a few pegs is probably as good for us as it's going to get.

 

[AM64]

I wish it was so a strong Europe might stand up

Ukraine is of no interest to the us citizens. It's being pushed only so politicians and the mic can steal money

You can't really see the US, Russia, and China relative to the rest of the world and believe that. You can either deal with smaller problems early on or deal with huge ones later. We're dealing with Russia by supporting Ukraine. Imagine what the 50s - 90s might have been if we'd dealt with Russia after WW2.

 

[Burhead]

Probably the most worthwhile expenditure of foreign aid we've seen in decades. We get to involve the Russians in a quagmire of their own making, cripple the Russian military, and remove them as a conventional threat to Europe for probably a decade or more as they rebuild their forces without having to spend American blood in the process.

 

[volfanhill]

Probably the most worthwhile expenditure of foreign aid we've seen in decades. We get to involve the Russians in a quagmire of their own making, cripple the Russian military, and remove them as a conventional threat to Europe for probably a decade or more as they rebuild their forces without having to spend American blood in the process.

 

[AM64]

We are 31+ trillion dollars in debt, it takes 700+ billion a year to service that debt. We're estimated to collect about 400 billion in tax revenue in FY 2022. By my definition, if you have more going out than coming in you're ****ing broke. We're printing money just to service our debt.

Valid point, but as you say congress uses spending to put money in their own pockets. Congress isn't about to reallocate money to the debt. I'd agree that we have a spending problem - except we really have a spender problem. It's not the money spent but who causes the money to be spent.

At least Ukraine is a proving ground for our weaponry - our own guys don't have to find out the hard way what works and what doesn't. If you consider drone warfare and several other newer events, this war is very much worth the cost of admission to determine future strategy. We've had wars to end wars, and it still didn't happen. Germany was a European problem - until it wasn't. The Soviet Union may have been a European problem - until they could reach us with ICBMs toting nuclear warheads. Without our support, all of Europe could well have been part of the USSR - and "not my problem". Without the US as a threat China would be expanding borders until Asia is China. Eventually as you stand by and watch, you find as Niemöller that you are just the last in line.

 

[AM64]

I agree with that. I’m just saying the cost of God knows how many civilian lives might outweigh the benefit of maintaining the Ukrainian government.

So extortion is painless and acceptable, and anyone should just rollover to a threat?

 

[AM64]

The Dnieper River is just as big an obstacle for Ukraine on the offensives as it is for Russia on defense. I’m wondering if they will try to pivot North and get enough troops across to mount a reasonable offense while at the same time trying to cut the supply lines along the Azov coast. And now would be a great time to finish the job on the Crimean Bridge.

Normally I'd agree. In this case greater artillery range for Ukraine could make a big difference. Air support is an unknown, but Russia doesn't seem to have anything near air superiority. Armor (as in tanks) and logistics would still be weak points you'd think.

 

[volfanhill]

A certain group of morons are awfully quiet tonight.

 

[Velo Vol]

Good morning Kherson.

 

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[utvolpj]

Probably the most worthwhile expenditure of foreign aid we've seen in decades. We get to involve the Russians in a quagmire of their own making, cripple the Russian military, and remove them as a conventional threat to Europe for probably a decade or more as they rebuild their forces without having to spend American blood in the process.

Based on results the Russian military was crippled before this ever happened. Maybe Europe could have done their own lifting if they were so worried about the threat. Tens of billions wasted on some mic proving ground proxy war

 

[utvolpj]

You can't really see the US, Russia, and China relative to the rest of the world and believe that. You can either deal with smaller problems early on or deal with huge ones later. We're dealing with Russia by supporting Ukraine. Imagine what the 50s - 90s might have been if we'd dealt with Russia after WW2.

Same thinking that got us Korea, Vietnam, Iraq x2, Afghanistan, etc. Maybe one day this will be true

 

[Velo Vol]

Probably the most worthwhile expenditure of foreign aid we've seen in decades. We get to involve the Russians in a quagmire of their own making, cripple the Russian military, and remove them as a conventional threat to Europe for probably a decade or more as they rebuild their forces without having to spend American blood in the process.

Yes. This war is terrible and I wish it had never happened. But from a return-on-military spending perspective, to severely cripple one of our two biggest foes for this amount is a bargain.

 

[LouderVol]

Link please.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-u...-switzerland-22337ad38f74d18d4dae63952a7f433e
"President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said Monday the reconstruction of his war-battered country is the “common task of the entire democratic world,” as his prime minister laid out a $750 billion recovery plan once the guns of Russia’s invaders fall silent one day."
Sounds like another 20 year, 2 trillion dollar boondoggle in the pipeline.

 

[norrislakevol]

But 95% of these people voted to be Russian! What's happening???

 

[LouderVol]

Link please.

Ukraine lays out $750B 'recovery plan' for postwar future
"President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said Monday the reconstruction of his war-battered country is the “common task of the entire democratic world,” as his prime minister laid out a $750 billion recovery plan once the guns of Russia’s invaders fall silent one day."
Sounds like another 20 year, 2 trillion dollar boondoggle in the pipeline.

 

[NorthDallas40]

@Rasputin_Vol @volgr @DonjoVol hey stooge collective could you tell us all why Kherson is “greeting their liberators”? I thought they voted over 90% to join Russia so clearly this video cannot be correct as those referendums we’re not Russian manipulated propaganda… right?

 

[tvolsfan]

Ukraine lays out $750B 'recovery plan' for postwar future
"President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said Monday the reconstruction of his war-battered country is the “common task of the entire democratic world,” as his prime minister laid out a $750 billion recovery plan once the guns of Russia’s invaders fall silent one day."
Sounds like another 20 year, 2 trillion dollar boondoggle in the pipeline.

Rebuilding Ukraine will be nothing like trying to establish a government in Afghanistan. Anyways, that’s just Zelenskyy’s wish list. He will certainly aim high.

And I think the EU would also be far happier to help fund that part. It’s the war with Russia which has made the Germans and French’s hesitant to give aid.

 

[utvolpj]

Ukraine lays out $750B 'recovery plan' for postwar future
"President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said Monday the reconstruction of his war-battered country is the “common task of the entire democratic world,” as his prime minister laid out a $750 billion recovery plan once the guns of Russia’s invaders fall silent one day."
Sounds like another 20 year, 2 trillion dollar boondoggle in the pipeline.

Dude needs to head to DC and hang out on capitol hill with a cardboard sign.

 

[LouderVol]

Probably the most worthwhile expenditure of foreign aid we've seen in decades. We get to involve the Russians in a quagmire of their own making, cripple the Russian military, and remove them as a conventional threat to Europe for probably a decade or more as they rebuild their forces without having to spend American blood in the process.

That would only be reasonable if we were planning on fighting Russia in that next decade. Otherwise we arent gaining anything. And unless Russia gets Balkanized after this, unlikely, you will just have a stronger Russia in a decade than we otherwise would have.

Yeah they are getting embarrased now, but those are lessons they can learn from and put forward for the next time.

The reason Russia got to this point is because they havent fought a western style military, or anything that challenged them.

 

[lukeneyland]

So extortion is painless and acceptable, and anyone should just rollover to a threat?

There can be a time when principles become too costly to uphold.

 

[LouderVol]

A certain group of morons are awfully quiet tonight.

It's totally never a coincidence that they all disappear at the same time, and all reappear at the same time.