War in Ukraine

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OHvol40 said:
Clearly you do believe him, so why is he more trustworthy as any of the others I mentioned?
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Are his reasons accurate? What are the reasons he lists? Do you read transcripts of his soeeches? I'm guessing not, but could be wrong.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
They want carry on to this notion that the US is the good guys and we always have justification, but the Russians are the baddies and their security concerns can be ignored.
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They seem to now want to say the US was wrong for all of our invasions using a broad legal self defense argument...so now, Russia is not allowed to use the same legal justification.

Sorry, welcome to big boy world, that isnt how it works.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
They want carry on to this notion that the US is the good guys and we always have justification, but the Russians are the baddies and their security concerns can be ignored.
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Utter nonsense; that's a meme going on in your head to create your own strawman so you can set fire to it.

No one here has defended, for instance, the Iraq invasion but rather the inverse. The U.S. and UK acted without a second resolution; that's actually against the charter and principle of self defense, rather than exercising a presumed, preemptive self defense.

Or as Vladimir Putin stated: "The use of force abroad, according to existing international laws, can only be sanctioned by the United Nations. This is the international law. Everything that is done without the UN Security Council's sanction cannot be recognised as fair or justified."
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Now, either the UN Sec. Council sanctioned Ukraine's invasion and didn't tell anyone about it, or he doesn't feel that way now, eh?

Russia has no security concerns re: Ukraine. And your argument boils down to an infantile mess that because the U.S. did wrong, Russia is justified in doing wrong.
Volgr told me how smart his 5th grader is, but got silent when I posted hypotheticals from them. Maybe you can take up where he left off.
 
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MontyPython said:
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Are you sure that seal team 16 or seal team 8 didn't land there to take over operations? Seal team 6 seems to be the defacto standard for seal teams when we are ready to kill someone. Add in a JSOC reference and Delta Force mention and we're going to kick some Russian asses! Yeaahhhhh!!!!!
 
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volgr said:
Are his reasons accurate? What are the reasons he lists? Do you read transcripts of his soeeches? I'm guessing not, but could be wrong.
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Yeah, Nazis in Ukraine (even though they’re cultural brothers), societal “cleansing”… I got it. Why do you believe his justifications over the others I listed?
 
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allvol123 said:
8 years in the Marines. Why is he a dope? If he feels strongly enough to go over, what is the problem?
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PR. If he gets captured or killed and then paraded before the media. If you want to join the Ukrainian cause, that’s your choice. Don’t make a public spectacle about it.

What I’m trying to say is keep it off social media.
 
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MG1968 said:
PR. If he gets captured or killed and then paraded before the media. If you want to join the Ukrainian cause, that’s your choice. Don’t make a public spectacle about it.

What I’m trying to say is keep it off social media.
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There’s a reason he’s in Lviv. Any large RU force gets close and he’ll scoot across the Polish border to prevent just that. PR stunt, as you said.
 
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By God, let's do this. I have my munitions stockpiled, I have my food stockpiled, I have a spare carburetor and distributor ready to go so I can convert my truck to run after an EMP. I am ready.
 
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McDad said:
You chided this board about listening to MSNBC and Fox. Those two media retailers are far more trustworthy than "US politicians".
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Now, McDad, you know Elizabeth Warren and a few other of our illustrious politicians are probably on the ground in Ukraine as we speak looking into things and dodging bullets.
 
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NCFisher said:
Good grief; go find the post where I go over this; search 'azov' NCFisher.

Maybe not as "well-known" as you are led to assume, and even if it were full-on Nazi and not 'ultranationalist' it's a force of 900 in a military of 460,000. That's rationalization for the invasion? If China was invading the U.S. and the guys mowing down CCP next to you love them some Mein Kampf at night, do you give a rat's?

Then just stop. The more Russian invaders Azov and UAF kills, the better.
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Remember we are purging "white nationalists" and so on from the US military. Obviously who kills the enemy is important in today's progressive world. Makes you wonder when the progressive purity tests will begin.
 
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VolStrom said:
By God, let's do this. I have my munitions stockpiled, I have my food stockpiled, I have a spare carburetor and distributor ready to go so I can convert my truck to run after an EMP. I am ready.
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Whoa. I have zero mechanical skill. The oil thing goes somewhere near the spark plug thingee.
 
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