War in Ukraine

[volgr]

He has some law allowing him to invade a foreign country because he didnt get what he wants? Link?

I mean, I know he is dictator, I mean president for life, that can rewrite his constitution at will, but I would still like a link.

I've already explained it. Disagree and move on or go back and read my posts explaining it.

 

[tvolsfan]

Doesn't matter at this point. Russia is winning, will win and the only remaining unknown at this point is how many extra casualties are worth the West's pride? Unless NATO gets involved militarily, which looks very unlikely at this point.

Then it sounds like Russia wants the carnage to continue.

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

The Russians are always watching. Always Manipulating. Lying. Stealing. Contemplating evil and explaining it away. Putin's social troops are soulless.

 

[Weezer]

He has legal justification.

I credited you with more intelligence than this statement demonstrates. When did Putin start making the law for a country he doesn't currently rule?

 

[volgr]

What does NATO have to do with Ukrainian decisions to fight here? I mean we wanted to get him into exile where he was safe.... No. The people could have simply embraced their invaders and begged for mercy..... But they fight on.

I'm under no illusion that the west has pure motives but I understand Russia does not either. All these people did was decide they didn't want to live under Putin's thumb.

Should any US state that wishes to leave the US be treated in a similar manner?

Well, that is another can of worms (the US already went to war to bring States back into the Union).

The vast majority of "The people" want no part of this fight. They are being forced by their government to do so. Fighting age men weren't allowed to leave. This notion being propagandized by Western media that the average Ukrainian is rising up to defend his homeland is non-sense. Most Ukrainians are very aware of the corruption within their gov't and a good many have no love for NATO.

 

[volgr]

Then it sounds like Russia wants the carnage to continue.

Doesn't seem that way.

 

[tvolsfan]

Doesn't seem that way.

Well they could always stop launching missiles and withdraw their troops.

Until then, it seems pretty clear they very much want the war to continue.

 

[KB5252]

They may end up facing facts that help isn't coming...

They know it isn't, have since the first week of the war.

 

[Weezer]

It appears Zelensky is an owned man. He will do as instructed by the West and they are instructing more carnage, more death. Ukrainian lives mean nothing to them. When Madeline Albright was asked if half a million dead Iraqi kids lives were worth it, she said the price was worth it. These people are ghouls.

Is it your contention the Ukrainians want to be ruled by Russia? Is that why they've fought so hard against it? Or they're fighting so hard because of the West that currently has no plans to ride in and save them. It's almost like you guys can't understand that the Ukrainians want to be free and independent of Russia. No, this must be the West directing them to fight for their lives and their freedom, not their own desire for it.

 

[Weezer]

Well, that is another can of worms (the US already went to war to bring States back into the Union).

The vast majority of "The people" want no part of this fight. They are being forced by their government to do so. Fighting age men weren't allowed to leave. This notion being propagandized by Western media that the average Ukrainian is rising up to defend his homeland is non-sense. Most Ukrainians are very aware of the corruption within their gov't and a good many have no love for NATO.

It seems like the people being "forced to fight" are the Russians. Ukrainians appear to be choosing to fight.

 

[allvol123]

Well, that is another can of worms (the US already went to war to bring States back into the Union).

The vast majority of "The people" want no part of this fight. They are being forced by their government to do so. Fighting age men weren't allowed to leave. This notion being propagandized by Western media that the average Ukrainian is rising up to defend his homeland is non-sense. Most Ukrainians are very aware of the corruption within their gov't and a good many have no love for NATO.

Where is the data they don’t want to fight?

So now Russia is being stalled by a smaller country full of people that don’t want to fight?

 

[Weezer]

Well, that is another can of worms (the US already went to war to bring States back into the Union).

The vast majority of "The people" want no part of this fight. They are being forced by their government to do so. Fighting age men weren't allowed to leave. This notion being propagandized by Western media that the average Ukrainian is rising up to defend his homeland is non-sense. Most Ukrainians are very aware of the corruption within their gov't and a good many have no love for NATO.

And I can understand them having no love for NATO. They also don't appear to have much love for Russia.

 

[volgr]

Well they could always stop launching missiles and withdraw their troops.

Until then, it seems pretty clear they very much want the war to continue.

You aren't really that stupid.

 

[volgr]

Where is the data they don’t want to fight?

So now Russia is being stalled by a smaller country full of people that don’t want to fight?

Nope. Try again. Take another swing at it.

 

[Hunerwadel]

Went to Pilot this morning to get a cup of coffee and the cashier asked if I wanted to donate to the Ukraine fund that Pilot has recently joined in on.
Where was this showing of charity when we bombed the Middle East to rubble?

I guess you should boycott those bastards. That'll show them.

 

[DonjoVol]

It appears Zelensky is an owned man. He will do as instructed by the West and they are instructing more carnage, more death. Ukrainian lives mean nothing to them. When Madeline Albright was asked if half a million dead Iraqi kids lives were worth it, she said the price was worth it. These people are ghouls.

Zelensky is simply a puppet of the Ukrainian oligarch Igor Kolomoisky and western leftist politicians like Macron, Biden, and Trudeau.

 

[DonjoVol]

I guess you should boycott those bastards. That'll show them.

Casey's has much better coffee since they took over the smaller pilot locations.

 

[tvolsfan]

Zelensky is simply a puppet of the Ukrainian oligarch Igor Kolomoisky and western leftist politicians like Macron, Biden, and Trudeau.

Why stop there? Why not throw in Soros, Hillary, and the Easter Bunny for good measure?

 

[Hunerwadel]

I am staying out of this debate for the most part but for all my friends on here who I respect your opinions and who liked this comment just ask yourself when has LG ever been on the right side of history?

Someone clicks a like button and it gives you a case of the raw ass? That's just weird.

 

[hog88]

They may end up facing facts that help isn't coming...

They're going to have to do this on their own but even if Russia prevails I think the resistance will keep sending dead Russians back to their mothers for years.

 

[Vol737]

Casey's has much better coffee since they took over the smaller pilot locations.

Haven’t been yet since they took over. May give it a try. I’ve been a Weigels coffee man for a long time.

 

[AirVol]

Went to Pilot this morning to get a cup of coffee and the cashier asked if I wanted to donate to the Ukraine fund that Pilot has recently joined in on.

Where was this showing of charity when we bombed the Middle East to rubble?

The Ukraine fund is another word for helping those govt officials that are losing on the money laundering scheme taking place in Ukraine.

 

[allvol123]

Nope. Try again. Take another swing at it.

Of course, you have nothing. Same as every other post.

 

[Grand Vol]

Where have I called for American boots on the ground? It's possible to call out Putin as the prick that he is and condemn his actions and NOT expect (or want) us to send troops.

I wasn't going off on you, Sparky. Just stating an opinion about the situation.

Eat some fiber or something.

 

[NCFisher]

Have Ukrainian Nazis attacked Russia/have a history of attacking Russia?

I waited for @Rasputin_Vol @volgr @red butler @DonjoVol et al to oblige you but...

What Russophiles are terming Nazis are nationalist (or ultranationalist, as if the base term needs a modifier). The OUN formed in 1929 and split into two cooperative factions of OUN-A and OUN-B, but both focused on an independent nation free from Russian, Polish, Romanian, Lithuanian rule, all of which had attempted to erase Ukraine culture and integrate them into their own including forced resettlement outside Ukraine to disperse them; Ukrainians suffered under them all. The Russian inflicted Holomodor occurred in 1932-1933.

Germany invaded Ukraine in June 1941 and was viewed as a liberating force, and opportunity to rid the territory of Poles, Russians, Romanians, Lithuanians. And Jews, I think to be compliant with Nazi command; I've not found evidence of anti-Jew virulence prior but it wouldn't surprise me as Israel was the answer to anti-Jew sentiment across the whole of Europe. Ukraine had a very large population of Jews. The liberator assumption didn't last long. Stepan Bandera (OUN-B), favorite boogeyman of VN Russophiles and those everywhere, declared Ukraine independent upon Germany's invasion and was promptly arrested in July and transferred to a concentration in September 1941 where he remained until September 1944. Other nationalist leaders such as Melynk (OUN-A) were also imprisoned. Further, between June and August 1941, Germany returned W. Ukraine to Polish administration and former Lithuanian areas to them. The rest fell under Nazi command as Reichskommissariat Ukraine.

With the demise of the USSR, Ukraine became independent. Pro-Russ president Yanukovych was ousted in 2014 in the Maidan protests and 'Revolution of Dignity'. Putin's response was to seed and support separatists in the Donbas region to destabilize and annex the region. Russian forces have been a mixture of resident Russ Ukrainians, mercs, and Russian military.

The UAF have been heavily deployed to the region since. Volunteer nationalist militias, he favorite boogeymen of Russophiles being Azov Battalion, have been part of that fighting force. Azov was created by wealthy Ukrainian interests in 2014 and incorporated into the National Guard that year. A spokesman has stated 15-20% of the battalion have neo-Nazi influence and are predominantly young, impressionable soldiers. Insignia is a mixture of symbolism approximating Nazi symbols, but Slavic and regional cultures and well as nationalist symbols. There is no antisemitic aspect to the battalion, which has support, enlisted, leadership and founding in/from the Jewish community. Putin defenders seem to have forgotten that as a defining mark of Nazism; "but Romas, etc..." - yeah, but above all the Reich pursued the complete erasure of Jews not just from Germany, but the earth.

So the answer is a firm 'No'; what Putin (and Western shills) are fighting against are Ukrainian nationalists who haven't forgotten their suffering under Russia. VN Russophiles, whether of ignorance of malice, toss the term around to shut down examination of the Russian thug's actions and motivations, even as he states he must deNazify the Jewish Ukraine government and Ukrainian culture.

It's farcical that Russia has a moral perch from which to shout "Nazi!" at anyone, Ukraine in particular.