War in Ukraine

It's about the only card left to play.
Yes, outright shutting down credit cards, banks, removing jobs, cutting off goods shipments, and things that literally only target the population are "the only card left to play". Foolish.

It's always worked out perfectly when America has taken steps to go after a population. It never did things like create terrorists and entire populations united in hate of our whole way of life. Never!
 
Yes, outright shutting down credit cards, banks, removing jobs, cutting off goods shipments, and things that literally only target the population are "the only card left to play". Foolish.

It's always worked out perfectly when America has taken steps to go after a population. It never did things like create terrorists and entire populations united in hate of our whole way of life. Never!

How else are we supposed to put pressure on the Russian government?
 
I don't believe much of anything that our government or media tells us, but the same goes for Russian media and the Putin government.

I would agree. Which is why on the ground reporting from citizen journo's is important.
 
Yes, outright shutting down credit cards, banks, removing jobs, cutting off goods shipments, and things that literally only target the population are "the only card left to play". Foolish.

It's always worked out perfectly when America has taken steps to go after a population. It never did things like create terrorists and entire populations united in hate of our whole way of life. Never!
Those are decent points, how would you approach trying to curtail Putin at this point?
 
How else are we supposed to put pressure on the Russian government?
You think Visa pulling out, or Netflix going offline, does anything against the Russian government? Please. You think the Russians are going to end up to revolting because the west brazenly and openly makes their lives harder? Again, that tactic has always worked out that way in the past. I can't think of any horrific nationalist movements that arose out of out of control financial and quality of life penalties put on a population.

Clown stuff as usual.
 
Those are decent points, how would you approach trying to curtail Putin at this point?
Letting Europe handle it, as they should have been doing all along. Instead, they increased their own reliance on Russia and here they are. All-out warfare on the Russian population is short-sighted and idiotic as has that tactic been all through history.

It's not America's fight. I've articulated this as much all through this thread and I'm not taking the time to go about it again.
 
Anyone that approves of the targeting of Russian civilians with economic warfare out of one side of their mouths while attacking Russia for civilian casualties in Ukraine out of the other is a hypocrite. Especially while they lambast Russia for having a "corrupt", "unelected" leader. Nothing speaks of justice like taking it to civilians living under a dictatorship, am I right?
The only person I see wanting to target Russian civilians is Putin. Sending untrained young conscripts in as cannon fodder.
Arresting thousands who have the audacity to protest for peace.

Give it a break. And you're comparing economic sanctions to bombing innocent civilians?...lol
 
You think Visa pulling out, or Netflix going offline, does anything against the Russian government? Please. You think the Russians are going to end up to revolting because the west brazenly and openly makes their lives harder? Again, that tactic has always worked out that way in the past. I can't think of any horrific nationalist movements that arose out of out of control financial and quality of life penalties put on a population.

Clown stuff as usual.

The vast majority of the companies "pulling out" of Russia and/or stopping services there are just virtue signaling. But actual sanctions on banking, imports and ext are justified this time. Will they bring about internal change in Russia? By themselves probably not, Russians are better equipped to withstand hardships than we are but couple the sanctions with dead Russian soldiers and the people might just get enough of Putin.
 
Letting Europe handle it, as they should have been doing all along. Instead, they increased their own reliance on Russia and here they are. All-out warfare on the Russian population is short-sighted and idiotic as has that tactic been all through history.

It's not America's fight. I've articulated this as much all through this thread and I'm not taking the time to go about it again.

How do you propose Europe handle it?
 
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Letting Europe handle it, as they should have been doing all along. Instead, they increased their own reliance on Russia and here they are. All-out warfare on the Russian population is short-sighted and idiotic as has that tactic been all through history.

It's not America's fight. I've articulated this as much all through this thread and I'm not taking the time to go about it again.
America isn't fighting. We can either lead or get out of the way. We've taken isolationist stances in the past and the results weren't exactly great then either.
 
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The vast majority of the companies "pulling out" of Russia and/or stopping services there are just virtue signaling. But actual sanctions on banking, imports and ext are justified this time. Will they bring about internal change in Russia? By themselves probably not, Russians are better equipped to withstand hardships than we are but couple the sanctions with dead Russian soldiers and the people might just get enough of Putin.
Bombing Ukrainian citizens and cutting off their supply routes along with a few dead Ukrainian soldiers and the people might just get enough of all of it and give in.

You can't advocate for war against one side's civilians and condemn it against the other's, economic or otherwise. It's hypocritical.
 
I guess the Russians can bomb them after they've finished doing the shopping malls.

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What justification did the US use?
We were in some theoretical danger. Afghanistan was bin laden which was a real threat. Iraq, Syria, Libya was all vague terrorism/wmd bs. Enough to justify full invasions? Not in my opinion.

What did putin have? NATO, this entity which has never been aggressive to me, in its 60 year existence, is now closer? They already share a couple borders. Its it's not unique in that stance, and it's not the first time.
 
Bombing Ukrainian citizens and cutting off their supply routes along with a few dead Ukrainian soldiers and the people might just get enough of all of it and give in.

You can't advocate for war against one side's civilians and condemn it against the other's, economic or otherwise. It's hypocritical.
You're off the mark trying to equate economic sanctions to bombing civilian locations.
 
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Bombing Ukrainian citizens and cutting off their supply routes along with a few dead Ukrainian soldiers and the people might just get enough of all of it and give in.

You can't advocate for war against one side's civilians and condemn it against the other's, economic or otherwise. It's hypocritical.

Wtf.

One side is eating missiles, other side can’t have McDonalds.
 
America isn't fighting. We can either lead or get out of the way. We've taken isolationist stances in the past and the results weren't exactly great then either.
Color me unworried by the global threat of a Russian military that apparently abandons its functional fighting equipment all over the place mid-invasion. Europe is welcome to, and should be, leading the effort in Ukraine. If France and Germany wish to send soldiers into Ukraine to fight, more power to them. If they want to continue to escalate arms, or enforce a no-fly zone, then more power to them. The US's job is not to lead a regional conflict thousands of miles away, just like it wasn't our job to invade Iraq or provide arms to terrorists in Syria.
 
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Yes, that's all that's happened. Don't be a simpleton, even though that the bloodflow to your brain may be cut off while you keep jerking it to war footage.

How about you not be a simpleton. You literally can’t step in here anymore without insulting people in every post. You look like a fool.

Btw, Putin wants to be self sufficient. So have at it. That’s who they elected.
 
How about you not be a simpleton. You literally can’t step in here anymore without insulting people in every post. You look like a fool.

Btw, Putin wants to be self sufficient. So have at it. That’s who they elected.
Because I'm sitting here watching washed up old clowns like yourself and the majority of our government crap away any financial stability that will be present for myself or my future children over blown-up pandemics, wars we don't belong in in any way, spending on idiocy, hyped-up news media ********, and wholesale acceptance of ****ing tweets minutes after talking about how twitter is irrelevant for news. You wonder why I'm mad? Because I am watching hypocrites, again like yourself, pretend to blast the government and the corporatocracy then willingly turn around, suck up their propaganda, and favor involvement in a conflict that has nothing to do with the United States. And then you come in here and give the old "RuSsIaNs CaN't EaT mCdOnAlD's" argument, which you know is an outright lie.

Come on.
 
Bombing Ukrainian citizens and cutting off their supply routes along with a few dead Ukrainian soldiers and the people might just get enough of all of it and give in.

You can't advocate for war against one side's civilians and condemn it against the other's, economic or otherwise. It's hypocritical.

Ukraine can't surrender.

Comparing economic sanctions to targeting and killing civilians is ludicrous. It's not hypocritical to support sanctions against Russia, the citizens of Russia have allowed Putin and his merry band of gangsters to remain in power so they bear responsibility.
 

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