War in Ukraine

[NorthDallas40]

All they have left in their tool bag are terrorist acts. They can't win heads up on the battlefield so they have to resort to the ISIS playbook.

based on the level of equipment Russia has “resupplied” Ukraine with since this started it appears you’ve got your parties reversed Moe. Again.

 

[volgr]

400+ civilians in Bucha called about the "care" the RF showed them.

Ohh, we're bringing the Bucha propaganda back, huh? If we are going to play Ukrainian fake news greatest hits today, can I request Ghost of Kiev and Snake Island?

 

[NorthDallas40]

Ohh, we're bringing the Bucha propaganda back, huh? If we are going to play Ukrainian fake news greatest hits today, can I request Ghost of Kiev and Snake Island?

Don’t forget Moskva and HIMARS Larry!

 

[NorthDallas40]

Putin declared martial law in the annexed regions today. Does that imply he’s finally figured out where the boundaries are?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

WHY would Ukraine need to use "prohibited" weapons when the conventional arms are destroying the russian army with ease?

You can't believe this. They are running out of ammo and equipment and The West is about tapped out of being able to resupply any further. And as winter moves in, the appetite by the people in The West to continue this nonsense while their own countries are falling apart is going to drive either a change in policy or more regime change in Europe.

Also, Russia is mobilizing 300k soldiers to reinforce what they already have within the next few weeks. Ukraine and NATO (along with the US) would be hard pressed to match those numbers before winter.

 

[volgr]

It's a core group of roughly ~57-58 in the House that we can count on. Maybe a few more that might get elected in November. But if these predictions about the GOP possibly getting 245-250 seats pans out, I think it still isn't a guarantee that the Ukraine obsession ends.

McCarthy is a snake and GOP Leadership is still largely beholden to the MIC. Add to that, most Dems support Ukraine. So, that is the reasoning for my see it to believe it response.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Setting up a false flag?

Russia wouldn't need to do that. But NATO is looking for any excuse to escalate.

The only real chance NATO has is to go nuclear. And even then, NATO wouldn't win... nor would Russia or any other living being on the planet.

 

[hog88]

Russia wouldn't need to do that. But NATO is looking for any excuse to escalate.

The only real chance NATO has is to go nuclear. And even then, NATO wouldn't win... nor would Russia or any other living being on the planet.

Ras you've been eat up with the propaganda my friend.

 

[volgr]

All they have left in their tool bag are terrorist acts. They can't win heads up on the battlefield so they have to resort to the ISIS playbook.

I'll give Ukraine credit in the Kharkiv/Izyum sector. They won those on the battlefield, even with Russian forces (mainly militia) basically tactically retreating because of the large number disadvantages. Ukraine had good intel, likely from the West, knew that sector was weak and exploited it. They may be able to do that in Kherson as well, but there are more actual Russian forces there vs the mostly militia in Kharkiv, they have better numbers vs Kharkiv and they seem to be dug in for an actual battle in Kherson.

I'll be surprised if Ukraine is able to take it, due to their many failed attempts thus far, but if they throw everything they have left at it...it is definitely possible though since Russia's mobilization hasn't largely hit the battlefields yet.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Ras you've been eat up with the propaganda my friend.

How do you figure? Russia is gaining back land and even The Western pro-Ukrainian media is admitting that Ukraine and The West are running out of weapons.

And for you to get everything so correct with regards to COVID and Russiagate and the rest of this media nonsense, it amazes me that you would now turn around and buy into the lies that the MSM is pumping about Ukrainian victories and Russian defeats.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I'll be surprised if Ukraine is able to take it, due to their many failed attempts thus far, but if they throw everything they have left at it...it is definitely possible though since Russia's mobilization hasn't largely hit the battlefields yet.

And then... once they throw everything they have at Kherson... then what? They will likely continue the same theme that we've seen time and time again. Win a town while taking heavy losses. That is simply unsustainable.

 

[hog88]

How do you figure? Russia is gaining back land and even The Western pro-Ukrainian media is admitting that Ukraine and The West are running out of weapons.

And for you to get everything so correct with regards to COVID and Russiagate and the rest of this media nonsense, it amazes me that you would now turn around and buy into the lies that the MSM is pumping about Ukrainian victories and Russian defeats.

I'm not buying anything coming out of either camp. The fact is Russian forces have been pushed back a good ways and are now scrambling. Fact is the west isn't running out of ammo or weapons to send to Ukraine. I do believe that Biden's handlers are itching for a reason to get US troops involved and that much of the financial aid we've sent is being skimmed off and laundered into the pockets of numerous people. I do believe Putin was way overconfident in the Russian Army capability and material levels and now he's trying to save face.

 

[volgr]

And then... once they throw everything they have at Kherson... then what? They will likely continue the same theme that we've seen time and time again. Win a town while taking heavy losses. That is simply unsustainable.

Agreed and if they throw everything at Kherson and fail or take huge losses in retaking it, they likely lose their southern coast and give up all the gains they made in Kharkiv once Russia's 300k hit the battlefield. At that point the West will be faced with a decision.

 

[volgr]

How do you figure? Russia is gaining back land and even The Western pro-Ukrainian media is admitting that Ukraine and The West are running out of weapons.

Taking Bakhmut, which looks very likely, would be huge for Russia. Of course that gets little attention in this thread, for obvious reasons. Reminds me when Popasnaya fell and there was little discussion of it's importance in this thread.

 

[NorthDallas40]

How do you figure? Russia is gaining back land and even The Western pro-Ukrainian media is admitting that Ukraine and The West are running out of weapons.

And for you to get everything so correct with regards to COVID and Russiagate and the rest of this media nonsense, it amazes me that you would now turn around and buy into the lies that the MSM is pumping about Ukrainian victories and Russian defeats.

So you give him props for being right on many other things but can’t understand how he could get Ukraine so wrong since he doesn’t agree with you Moe. LMAO

 

[NorthDallas40]

Taking Bakhmut, which looks very likely, would be huge for Russia. Of course that gets little attention in this thread, for obvious reasons. Reminds me when Popasnaya fell and there was little discussion of it's importance in this thread.

This is another hilarious point. Ukraine has been quite literally rolling thru Russian occupied lands and you Pootin nut huggers keep chest pounding over Bakhmut which is of no strategic importance nor even a top 20 population center. Talk about champions of life …

 

[volgr]

I do believe Putin was way overconfident in the Russian Army capability and material levels and now he's trying to save face.

Putin has made some miscalculations for sure. I would say his overconfidence came from trusting these local militia's ability. It was Russian forces along with Wagner/Chechens that took Mariupol and Kherson. The taking of Mariupol was quite impressive.

I think he also underestimated the extent the West would go in propping up Ukraine. It was obvious by early summer that his special military operation need to be converted into a more robust war type operation with a mobilization of forces. By not doing so in a timely fashion, he let his forces get overextended in trying to defend too long a line of contact. Thus, he was overrun in the Kharkiv/Izyum area as he focused what was left of actual Russian forces in the south (some Russian forces were being rotated out at that time as well). Not making excuses, Ukraine had good intel, made the most of it and gave Putin another black eye.

 

[volgr]

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[volgr]

This is another hilarious point. Ukraine has been quite literally rolling thru Russian occupied lands and you Pootin nut huggers keep chest pounding over Bakhmut which is of no strategic importance nor even a top 20 population center. Talk about champions of life …

Where have I denied they are rolling through Russian occupied land? Also, saying Bakhmut is of no strategic importance shows you're back to trolling, instead of having an honest discussion.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Where have I denied they are rolling through Russian occupied land? Also, saying Bakhmut is of no strategic importance shows you're back to trolling, instead of having an honest discussion.

It’s only claim to fame is it sits on a roadway to two other towns in the region. That’s it. No major rail. No strategic staging depots.

It’s only “strategic” because it’s literally the only place Wagner is able to put forth some form of defense and not just get outright steamrolled like everywhere else right now Larry and this serves as a Russian propagandist talking point. That’s it.

 

[volgr]

It’s only claim to fame is it sits on a roadway to two other towns in the region. That’s it. No major rail. No strategic staging depots.

It’s only “strategic” because it’s literally the only place Wagner is able to put forth some form of defense and not just get outright steamrolled like everywhere else right now Larry and this serves as a Russian propagandist talking point. That’s it.

Even Western media labels it of strategic importance.

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

Looks like Liz Truss didn't work out for the UK. Rumors are swirling she is on borrowed time. I've seen some compare her to a wilting head of lettuce (I love the uk ) We might be getting a new uk prime soon.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Even Western media labels it of strategic importance.

Yes they do. I’ve already pointed out it’s “strategic” importance. It’s merely the next town on the road of liberation. That is literally all the importance it has.

Well… other than you stooges and other propagandists claiming it’s importance. Which will vanish like a fart on the wind once it falls too.

 

[lawgator1]

You can't believe this. They are running out of ammo and equipment and The West is about tapped out of being able to resupply any further. And as winter moves in, the appetite by the people in The West to continue this nonsense while their own countries are falling apart is going to drive either a change in policy or more regime change in Europe.

Also, Russia is mobilizing 300k soldiers to reinforce what they already have within the next few weeks. Ukraine and NATO (along with the US) would be hard pressed to match those numbers before winter.

"mobilizing"

 

[Septic]

You can't believe this. They are running out of ammo and equipment and The West is about tapped out of being able to resupply any further. And as winter moves in, the appetite by the people in The West to continue this nonsense while their own countries are falling apart is going to drive either a change in policy or more regime change in Europe.

Also, Russia is mobilizing 300k soldiers to reinforce what they already have within the next few weeks. Ukraine and NATO (along with the US) would be hard pressed to match those numbers before winter.