War in Ukraine

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https://www.axios.com/2025/02/25/ukraine-minerals-deal-signed-zelensky-trump

President Trump told reporters that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky will visit the White House on Friday to sign a minerals deal.
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I didn't think Trump was going to wait weeks for a signed deal, but its just bait.... Friday.

So, if true, he signs the deal, within a few weeks the Europeans have to have a peace deal but not sure they are talking to the Russians. I'm assuming if the Europeans don't have a agreeable deal with the Russians than Trump will have to re-enter and go to phase 2. If the U.S., Europe and the Russians are agreeable to a solution and the Ukraine is the hold up, well, back to the UN. I don;t think Trump cares what the deal is, he just wants the killing to stop. If that little Jester doesn't sign the deal, I would expect the U.S. to go straight back into the UN by next week and it won't be pretty. Trump is saying what he wants i.e. war to end and get moving getting it done.
 
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I said it from the start. Trump will flip his opinion on Ukraine in a heart beat if he can be sold on it. Call it the Trumpinstan and Trump would defend it to the last American. Replace Zelensky with Miss Ukraine and have her flirt with Trump and Putin's calls wouldn't even be answered. Trump is about image image image. Russia still looks stronger than Ukraine. Not as strong as they once did, but relatively they are still stronger than Ukraine. that is what matters to Trump. If Ukraine had retaken all of its land and pushed 100 miles in Russia he would be siding with Ukraine.

Trump is not nearly as ideological as either side wants him to be.
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Putin might be able to negotiate with Miss Ukraine as well. You might be onto something.
 
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Will some of yall just quit trying to make excuses for Russia? It's ridiculous even if you have a point.

Now with that said, I stick with my original argument. I think the reason why Ukraine, Europe and the US are in this mess is because of the clown show in the White House from Jan 2021 - Jan 2025.

Weakness invites aggression. I also think there is some funny money being passed.
 
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Will some of yall just quit trying to make excuses for Russia? It's ridiculous even if you have a point.

Now with that said, I stick with my original argument. I think the reason why Ukraine, Europe and the US are in this mess is because of the clown show in the White House from Jan 2021 - Jan 2025.

Weakness invites aggression. I also think there is some funny money being passed.
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Nobody is making excuses for Russia, if it were me I would not have been so nice to everyone involved.

If I were Russian, I would tell you to eat me as you caused this mess.

That is really what your government is saying now... without getting into details. War is not pretty...maybe a lesson to learn but this country never seems to learn.

For record, I think all of that is immaterial at this stage...not much we can do about the damaged caused. It time we move on to getting out of this mess.
 
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I eas watching CNN, and pure sourpuss about the deal. If Trump was a Dem, they would be building statues.
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it will all come down to the actual details.

The Dems will hold up the impossible standard of unless Ukraine gets back all its territory, Russia pays for all the repairs in Ukraine, and Putin has to do the Game of Thrones walk of Shame across all of Ukraine before being deposed its a failure. and the Maga fan club would hold up Russia gaining more territory than they currently hold, Ukraine pays Russia and the US, and Zelensky has to do the walk of shame to Moscow where he gets shot as a win.

the truth and the details will always be somewhere in the middle.
 
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There is no peace or security deal, this is simply the mineral/asset rights agreement which was first drafted last summer which is probably worth about ten dollars. Supposedly the Europeans are on the clock (two more weeks) to come up with a peace/security deal which the U.S. is generally saying they are not providing security, the Finnish have described it as Ukraine's surrender. The Mad Jester, if he becomes a problem or is uncooperative/unproductive will be Trump's to handle. Its generally between the Europeans and Russians to figure out.
 
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I eas watching CNN, and pure sourpuss about the deal. If Trump was a Dem, they would be building statues.
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Everyone was all in on the Ukraine, Trump is simply exposing the Truth i.e. evil and fraud. Europeans are not liking it, but they have no choice i.e. the Truth is not on their side and Trump has it. Which is why in the UN on Monday they supported one thing in general assembly, and than did a 180 in the security council a few minutes later.

They're all going to be mad at Trump because of the Truth, and I thought everyone all of sudden wanted transparency. They really don't.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRus..._pov_senator_mark_kelly_asks_the_nominee_for/

(they know where the bodies are buried... Trump is just saying, you really really want to move this along)

Of course, this thread is the definition of insanity, they remaining crazies that spent 3 years trying to convince us that the U.S. had nothing to do with this, are now worried of my suggestion the U.S. turn over the assets working in these countries to overthrow them. You have a few remaining completely evil or insane people in this thread, unfortunately there are still quite a few walking around the U.S.
 
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He is right as far as getting your funds returned or a ROI pov, and stability. Not sure what weapon systems they would want from the U.S. Unless they can make artillery shells not sure what they would buy. The whole "rare earth minerals" is pretty silly on the surface, the control of ports, gas/oil, transit systems, etc maybe not so much but its hard to envision anyone making much back, but who knows.



Trump probably spoke too much in their cabinet meeting as far as the Ukraine, but only the Orange Man really knows what he saying until later... If he doesn't walk away, than he will own this mess. Although, funds have been cut off, it appears equipment is still flowing to a degree (in transit) to the Ukraine so I would expect them to have enough for a bit.

We'll probably have to see in the next few weeks what the Orange man is intending here.

Update: Apparently the JR quote in the tweet is AI generated 🤷‍♂️, AI or not, its probably correct. I don't think it worked as intended. 😂
 
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Last week eye-patch John McCain -- also known as Rep. Dan Crenshaw (R-TX) -- was interviewed by British journalist Steven Edginton of Britain’s GB News. After the conversation, Edginton mentioned Tucker Carlson, which occasioned Crenshaw to say the following that was captured on a 'hot mic.'

“We’ve talked a lot on Twitter,” referring to the exchanges he and Carlson have traded online, “If I ever meet him, I’ll ******* kill him.”

This is a death threat. And an assault on our democracy.™ Asked whether he had threatened Carlson, Crenshaw attempted to ridicule with "Lol, no.” But the GB News interviewer revealed that when he had laughed at Crenshaw's threat, assuming it was humor, Crenshaw responded that "....it wasn't a joke.”

The motive? During the interview, eye-patch crooked McCain (Crenshaw) viciously criticized Carlson's stand against the neocon, warmonger, and profiteer desire to provide unlimited and unaccounted aid to Ukraine.
 
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Last week eye-patch John McCain -- also known as Rep. Dan Crenshaw (R-TX) -- was interviewed by British journalist Steven Edginton of Britain’s GB News. After the conversation, Edginton mentioned Tucker Carlson, which occasioned Crenshaw to say the following that was captured on a 'hot mic.'

“We’ve talked a lot on Twitter,” referring to the exchanges he and Carlson have traded online, “If I ever meet him, I’ll ******* kill him.”

This is a death threat. And an assault on our democracy.™ Asked whether he had threatened Carlson, Crenshaw attempted to ridicule with "Lol, no.” But the GB News interviewer revealed that when he had laughed at Crenshaw's threat, assuming it was humor, Crenshaw responded that "....it wasn't a joke.”

During the interview, eye-patch McCain (Crenshaw) viciously criticized Carlson's stand against the neocon, warmonger, and profiteer desire to provide unlimited and unaccounted aid to Ukraine.
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Orange. said:
Last week eye-patch John McCain -- also known as Rep. Dan Crenshaw (R-TX) -- was interviewed by British journalist Steven Edginton of Britain’s GB News. After the conversation, Edginton mentioned Tucker Carlson, which occasioned Crenshaw to say the following that was captured on a 'hot mic.'

“We’ve talked a lot on Twitter,” referring to the exchanges he and Carlson have traded online, “If I ever meet him, I’ll ******* kill him.”

This is a death threat. And an assault on our democracy.™ Asked whether he had threatened Carlson, Crenshaw attempted to ridicule with "Lol, no.” But the GB News interviewer revealed that when he had laughed at Crenshaw's threat, assuming it was humor, Crenshaw responded that "....it wasn't a joke.”

During the interview, eye-patch McCain (Crenshaw) viciously criticized Carlson's stand against the neocon, warmonger, and profiteer desire to provide unlimited and unaccounted aid to Ukraine.
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Surprised that you have such an affinity for Carlson given what he said about Trump in private.

www.bbc.com

Tucker Carlson said he hates Trump 'passionately', lawsuit reveals

The text messages sent by the Fox News host were released as part of a 2020 election lawsuit.
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MontyPython said:
This is great news for Ukraine. Probably means the arms keep flowing from the US which is critical.

I *think* this means the war continues. Ukraine won’t fold and now it has the continued military backing from us.
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You must be apart of the military complex. You honestly think, more weapons are going to matter?
 
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