Wars, genocide, reparations, religion, etc (split from recruiting forum)

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bcmbvol said:
General Dwight Eisenhower, in his memoirs, recalled a visit from Secretary of War Henry Stimson in late July 1945: “I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of ‘face.’”
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When you sucker punch a guy who is already in a fight with another guy and force him to fight two fights at once, you don't get to dictate the terms of how the fight gets stopped.
 
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bcmbvol said:
Wtf how do some geurilla fighters justify dropping two nukes on civilians? They were trying to surrender before that, but we had cut off diplomatic contact.
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With all due respect, you have no idea what you’re talking about. US dropped pamphlets on Hiroshima and Nagasaki warning them what was coming. They had every opportunity, and didn’t surrender.

Not to mention option B, a full scale invasion, had estimates of 1 million+ casualties for us, and 5-10 million for them. The atom bomb saved lives, ironically.
 
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bcmbvol said:
We could have and should have allowed them to surrender before the nukes were dropped. The people of Japan would have ostensibly surrendered fanatically if we carry that logic through. And I would also count the fire bombings of Tokyo, Dresden, Berlin, etc in the list of unjustified atrocities.
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What the hell are you talking about?
 
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bignewt said:
Bottom line is war is absolute hell on earth and yet humanity continues to engage in it, often with no plausible reason. Of that our government is especially guilty.
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War nowadays is a racket. It’s meant to get elites and government officials rich off of Boeing and Lockheed Martin investments and cushy (crony capitalist at best, pure fascism at worst) relationships between these private corporations and the government.
 
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Christian Lowe said:
No it isn’t. The answer is no. Japanese women and children threw themselves off of cliffs rather than surrender to the Americans in Okinawa. They would not have surrendered if we didn’t display that show of force.
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I agree with you 100%.

It's amazing how some articles can change the narrative. I have spoken to a former Zero Fighter pilot. He said, "The Japanese people would never have surrendered."
 
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Christian Lowe said:
War nowadays is a racket. It’s meant to get elites and government officials rich off of Boeing and Lockheed Martin investments and cushy (crony capitalist at best, pure fascism at worst) relationships between these private corporations and the government.
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delfonic said:
I love talking history and hypotheticals. Where I get a bit sideways is when it comes to trying to judge relative evil during wartime. There are so many lesser evils, what ifs, and circumstantial happenings that it becomes confusing for me. Then you get to the scale. I can comprehend the loss of one life. When the number gets to several hundred I don’t think I can quite wrap my head around the amount of suffering caused. That’s probably by design. If we were truly sympathetic to the plight of war casualties we would probably all just curl up in a ball and give up.

Anyway, I say that to say this…. Japan started it. Also, they were running around pulling some truly heinous acts during the first part of the 20th century. I get that there were innocents who weren’t part of that but when you cross the line to the extent the Japanese military did you typically don’t get to specify the method of retribution.

Also, those atomic bombs were used as a deterrent. If the US military had sought to do as much damage as possible they would had resumed firebombing.
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When I did my VAMC rotation as a resident, I met a veteran who was a prisoner in the Baatan death march. He couldn’t talk much about it. He couldn’t get over the atrocities that were committed. The Japanese told them that they didn’t consider Americans to be human by their standards and so it was more akin to killing insects. They were on the same level as the perpetrators of the Holocaust.

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bcmbvol said:
We could have and should have allowed them to surrender before the nukes were dropped. The people of Japan would have ostensibly surrendered fanatically if we carry that logic through. And I would also count the fire bombings of Tokyo, Dresden, Berlin, etc in the list of unjustified atrocities.
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Congratulations hippie. You have been added to the Ignore list in memory of my father. US Navy World War 2.
 
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Christian Lowe said:
War nowadays is a racket. It’s meant to get elites and government officials rich off of Boeing and Lockheed Martin investments and cushy (crony capitalist at best, pure fascism at worst) relationships between these private corporations and the government.
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That isn't a modern thing though. This General was saying it in the 1930s. War Is a Racket - Wikipedia
 
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