We the People vs The People's Republic.

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I copied an article about Patric Henry and how he was opposed the constitution. he made the argument that the constitution was designed to make the Fed government the central power of the Nation and that it would eventually destroy states right. he seemed to be correct.

is We the people so different that The People's Republic?



The Witness of Patrick Henry
By Chris Pinto



What happened with the Treaty of Tripoli may be indicative of the suspicions of underhanded dealings among the founders. While we are often given the impression that angels practically came down and sat on Washington's shoulders, as he and the other revolutionaries set forth a divinely inspired document ? not all Americans were so deceived. Patrick Henry, for example, refused to take part in the first Constitutional Convention, because he did not trust what was going on. Henry seemed to think that what they were doing was subversive. We read:



"… he declined to serve at the Constitutional Convention in

Philadelphia. The public reason he gave for not attending was, as

he so eloquently put it, 'I smell a rat!' … He stood in direct opposition to ratification (of the Constitution) because he felt that the document created too strong a central government which would inevitably usurp the powers of the states. Henry contended, to adopt the new Constitution was akin to a new revolution." (Patrick Henry: America's

Radical Dissenter, by Thomas Jewett)



To the surprise of many believers today, Patrick Henry (along with Samuel Adams apparently) believed the U.S. Constitution, as it was written, would ruin the country.

At the Virginia Ratifying Convention on June 5, 1788, Henry said:



"The question turns, sir, on that poor little thing, the

expression, We, the people, instead of the states, of America.

I need not take much pains to show that the principles of

this system are extremely pernicious, impolitic, and dangerous….

Here is a resolution as radical as that which separated us

from Great Britain. It is radical in this transition; our rights

and privileges are endangered, and the sovereignty of the

states will be relinquished …"



This is worth considering, since so many Christians today look upon the Constitution as practically an extension of the Bible. Yet Henry recognized that the focus on the People collectively would ultimately put all citizens beneath the power of a single Federal Government, which is exactly what happened after the Civil War with the drafting of the 14th Amendment. This amendment changed the citizenship of all Americans to federal citizens first, and state citizens second. Prior to this amendment, it had been the other way around. It would be not unlike changing our national citizenship, making us citizens of the United Nations first, and then American citizens second. While our purpose here is not to investigate this fully, one can see what the dangerous implications of such an amendment would be.



The Federal Octopus



The concept of an ever-growing federal power was spoken of by George Mason (a lesser known Revolutionary hero), and is recorded in Patrick Henry's biography. According to the account, Mason said:



"There are many gentlemen in the United States who think

it right that we should have one great, national, consolidated

government, and that it is better to bring it about slowly

and imperceptibly rather than all at once …" (Patrick Henry;

life, correspondence, and speeches, Volume II, p. 357

by William Wirt Henry)



If one reads the full account as recorded by Wirt Henry, it becomes clear that George Mason, who relates this to James Madison and Patrick Henry, is speaking about men who are conspiring to seize control of the country. He even compares them to a cat leaping upon a rat. The truth of this warning has surely been unfolding for the last two hundred years. Currently, it is at the heart of the reason why the government of the United States has been able to push Christianity out of nearly all federally funded institutions. Again, we must ask: was this the plan from the beginning?



Was Patrick Henry a Christian?



It may be that Patrick Henry died as a Christian man ? this writer certainly hopes so. If one researches quotes concerning him, it is clear he was not the most knowledgeable about the Bible, which he openly admitted. Some of the quotes from him are odd, if he was a Christian. For example, he said, "I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided, and that is the lamp of experience." Why not the lamp of the Word of God? His lament over not spending much time in Bible study might be an explanation. In the account of his life as recorded by his grandson and biographer, we read:



"One of his neighbors going to see him found him reading the

Bible. Holding it up in his hand, he said: 'This book is worth all

the books that ever were printed, and it has been my misfortune

that I have never found time to read it with the proper attention

and feeling till lately. I trust in the mercy of Heaven that it is

not yet too late." It was his habit to seat himself in his dining room

every morning directly after rising, and read his Bible …"

(Patrick Henry; life, correspondence, and speeches, Volume II,

by William Wirt Henry, p. 519)



It is clear that Patrick Henry was a church going man who did not shun partaking in Communion, which becomes significant when one considers that men like Washington refused to do so. Henry also acknowledged and condemned the deism of the other revolutionaries. He said:







"The view which the rising greatness of our country presents

to my eye is greatly tarnished by the general prevalence of deism;

which with me, is but another name for vice and depravity.

I am, however, much consoled by reflecting, that the religion of

Christ has, from its first appearance in the world, been attacked

in vain by all the wits, philosophers, and wise ones aided by every

power of man, and its triumph has been complete." (Ibid, p. 570)



Furthermore, Henry specifically refuted the charge that he was to be counted among the deists, and went out of his way to declare that he was a Christian man. He said:



"Amongst other strange things said of me, I hear it is said

by the deists that I am one of their number; and, indeed, that

some good people think I am no Christian. This thought gives

me much more pain than the appellation of tory; because

I think religion of infinitely higher importance than politics;

and I find much cause to reproach myself that I have lived so

long and have given no decided and public proofs of my being

a Christian. But, indeed, my dear child, this is a character

which I prize far above all this world has, or can boast."

(Patrick Henry; life, correspondence, and speeches, Volume II,

by William Wirt Henry, p. 570)



It is very interesting that after the Revolution, Patrick Henry refused to be involved in U.S. politics. We read that:



"… there was a disposition to present the name of Mr. Henry

for the Vice-Presidency, but he had taken no part in politics since

1791 … It is very certain that he was unwilling that his name

should be used in connection with the office … After the

presidential electors had been chosen he was informed that

… others of the Electoral College, professed a willingness to

vote for him as President, but not for Jefferson, and he declined

the honor …" (Ibid, pp. 571-572)



Why would Henry refuse to run for President? Was it because he knew that those who were running the new American government were infidels and that the nature of the system was anti-Christ and corrupt? Is it also possible that he chose to pursue the things of God, which he had neglected before, and this gave him the zeal to keep from being entangled "with the affairs of this life"…? (1 Timothy 2:4)



Seeking the Truth



Patrick Henry gave us words to consider as we hash through the pages of America's history, trying to discern what happened, and how we are brought to this point. His words are a powerful medicine for professing Christians who rabidly (and often blindly) defend the founding fathers, disregarding all evidence to the contrary of their invented and fraudulent histories. A true American patriot, Patrick Henry said:



"It is natural for man to indulge in the illusions of hope.

We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to

the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts...

For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing

to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide

for it." (Patrick Henry, American Patriot)
 
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Patrick Henry was the man. I don't always agree with him, but dude had conviction.

I get a little annoyed when we call ourselves a democracy. My take is we have elements of a democracy, but we are a republic. There is an important distinction here. Rule of law = Republic. Rule of the masses = Democracy.
 
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Patrick Henry was the man. I don't always agree with him, but dude had conviction.

I get a little annoyed when we call ourselves a democracy. My take is we have elements of a democracy, but we are a republic. There is an important distinction here. Rule of law = Republic. Rule of the masses = Democracy.

that's what he was arguing. the fact that states' rights are diminishing and the fed's rule is increasing.
 
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Here's a great video about the subject. It's kind of funny, the whole way we view left and right will mislead us. Extreme right is anarchy (or total freedom), extreme left is totalitarianism (or no freedom). Democrats and Republicans are pretty much in the same spot, neither one left or right. This video talks a lot about that. We have this charade where we think one party is left and one is right, but that's not the case. Democrats are more "right" (for the most part) with social policy, and Republicans are more "right" (for the most part) with economic policy.

YouTube - ‪The American Form of Government‬‏
 
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Anyone notice the 'free trade zones' and the new
proposed fifty square mile Chinese city in Idaho?

Not subject to American taxes or laws, to be set
up like embassies, which are considered sovereign
territory of the government that controls them.

257 Foreign Trade Zones across America | Ron Paul 2012 | Sound Money, Peace and Liberty

Each and every one of our state governors has approved and allocated a certain amount of acres of their U.S. state land to be inhabited by Chinese communists --communists straight from China! They are to set up little towns and live here, supposedly for the purpose of producing Chinese products for sale in the U.S.A. The land the states are giving them for their little towns will be considered "foreign territory"!!!

We are told that the laws of the state (in which these Chinese communists dwell) will apply to the communist Foreign Trade Zone (FTZ). Comment: If so, why are they allowed in here!??! Isn't the whole set up unlawful??? There are 257 of these little communist towns to be built all over the United States.

Go to this website and see the list of the states, and how many FTZ's are to be erected in each and every state! Our nation is being peppered all over with these communist closed towns called "zones"!

This insane brainstorm by Washington, D.C. officials was just recently discovered by alert citizens in the State of Idaho, where an FTZ is being built there, just south of Boise, Idaho, possibly 30,000 acres of Idaho is going to be used for that FTZ. Check this site quickly before it is removed:
 
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Chinese are setting up free trade zones on US soil, and the first thing you're worried about is "Communism" at the back door? :wacko:
 
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dang I must be a communist for helping setup the FTZ process for my company. Well I'm off to buy a Che shirt and tattoo a star on my forehead

crazy article
 
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Chinese are setting up free trade zones on US soil, and the first thing you're worried about is "Communism" at the back door? :wacko:

Seems like a good rebuttal to the Commerce Act...
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For the longest time, the conservatives would proclaim (almost always incorrectly) that it was they, and only they, who had the secret power to unlock the magic mystery both of what the Founding Fathers intended by everything they ever wrote, but also the crystal ball to tell us how those concepts must be interpreted in today's world.

Having run out of stuff to lord over everyone on that front, you are going to nudge the Founding Fathers aside now in favor of someone who declined to be a Founding Father because you like something he wrote, contrary to what the Founding Fathers did, in order to ignore something you don't like?

This kind of selective memory (or more accurately history) is just more evidence that the very people who claim to be literalists are, in fact, most happy when they are twisting, manipulating, taking out of context, and otherwise warping everything to, ironically, justify a result not remotely envisioned by anyone in 18th century America.
 

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