Well San Francisco values have hit JROTC

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National News- San Francisco Boots JROTC Programs - AOL News

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - High schools across the city soon will no longer have Junior Reserve Officers' Training Corps programs after officials decided to eliminate them because of the Pentagon's "don't ask, don't tell" policy regarding gay service members.

The Board of Education voted 4-2 late Tuesday to phase out the JROTC from schools over the next two years, despite protest from hundreds of students who rallied outside the meeting.

The resolution passed says the military's ban on openly gay soldiers violates the school district's equal rights policy for gays.

The school district and the military currently share the $1.6 million annual cost of the program. About 1,600 San Francisco students participate in JROTC at seven high schools across the district.

Cadets and instructors who spoke at the meeting and rallied outside argued that the program teaches leadership, organizational skills, personal responsibility and other important values.

"This is where the kids feel safe, the one place they feel safe," said Robert Powell , a JROTC instructor. "You're going to take that away from them?"

Mayor Gavin Newsom called severing ties with the JROTC "a bad idea" that penalized students without having any practical effect on the Pentagon's policy on gays in the military.

"If people want to participate in it and their families want them to participate, I think they have a right to participate without putting them in the political peril of being in this ideological debate," he said.

Lt. Cmdr. Joe Carpenter, a Pentagon spokesman, has said he didn't know of any other school district having barred JROTC from its campuses.
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Part of the 100 hour agenda? :yes:
 
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not so much a part of the 100 hour agenda as it is further manifestation of the liberal agenda. first it was the Boy Scouts, then recruiting on college campi, recruiting offices vandalized, and now this. liberals claim to love the soldiers, but their actions reveal their lies.
 
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I heard a city councilman last night on the news, he said serving in the military was an honor. Then after he prefaced his statement by praising the military he went on to say that the military preys on young unsuspecting minds and influences them wrongly.

The usual liberal talking point, 99% of the military come from poor backgrounds and this is their only way to get a job...yadda, yadda, yadda.......
 
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too bad their talking points are wrong. there are more in the military from middle/upper class backgrounds than "poor".
it's another subject, but the word "poor" gets bandied about without regard to geographic location. In NYC, a family of 4 would be "poor" if the income is 50K/year, yet in TN that same annual salary puts that same family squarely in the middle class.
 
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MG1968 said:
too bad their talking points are wrong. there are more in the military from middle/upper class backgrounds than "poor".
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Seriously? I'm not calling you a liar, but I would like to see some information that proves such claims.
 
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OrangeEmpire, good job on those midterm predictions. You and Karl Rove did a great job.
 
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OWB said:
Seriously? I'm not calling you a liar, but I would like to see some information that proves such claims.
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I did see a report comparing the demographics of the military vs general pop. that supported this (or at least that the education level of the military was higher than the general pop.) I'll see if I can dig it up.
 
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OWB said:
Seriously? I'm not calling you a liar, but I would like to see some information that proves such claims.
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I actually posted some numbers in another thread in here...past two weeks. But, he is serious.
 
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Demographics of military

Household Income of Recruits
We found that recruits tend to come from mid­dle-class areas, with disproportionately fewer from low-income areas. Overall, the income dis­tribution of military enlistees is more similar to than different from the income distribution of the general population.
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Education Levels of Recruits
We find that, on average, recruits tend to be much more highly educated than the general pub­lic and that this education disparity increased after the war on terrorism began. Comparable detailed education data from the Census classify the educa­tion level of individuals into one of seven categories (from less than high school up to graduate/profes­sional degree). We generated a binary variable that assigns a 1 for individuals with a high school diploma or higher and a 0 for less than a high school diploma.
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Racial Representation Among Recruits
We found that whites are one of the most pro­portionally represented groups—making up 77.4 percent of the population and 75.8 percent of all recruits—whereas other racial categories are often represented in noticeably higher and lower propor­tions than the general population.
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Who Bears the Burden? Demographic Characteristics of U.S. Military Recruits Before and After 9/11
 
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UTGRADnNC said:
Isn't the Heritage Foundation a conservative thinktank???
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Yes, the study is completely fabricated.

Check the web yourself. I found another study that provides the democharacteristics of the military. It just doesn't compare it the general pop. but you can do it easily enough - just compare it to comparable census data.
 
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volinbham said:
Yes, the study is completely fabricated.

Check the web yourself. I found another study that provides the democharacteristics of the military. It just doesn't compare it the general pop. but you can do it easily enough - just compare it to comparable census data.
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well, the general population is a dimwitted lump of people. i would hope that that our military demographics are much higher than the general pop.
 
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UTGRADnNC said:
well, the general population is a dimwitted lump of people. i would hope that that our military demographics are much higher than the general pop.
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Oh yes, please save us from ourselves. It never ceases to amaze me that the party of tolerance holds such disdain for so many people.
 
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volinbham said:
Oh yes, please save us from ourselves. It never ceases to amaze me that the party of tolerance holds such disdain for so many people.
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mighty quick to jump to assumptions there, ain't ya, tough guy?

So, since you live in Alabama, do you have sex with your sister very often???
 
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Just so you know bham...

I woulda said the same thing had someone posted something from moveon.org. However, I woulda found it credible if posted from The Cato Institute, which essentially makes me just as bad as either side of the spectrum....
 
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UTGRADnNC said:
Just so you know bham...

I woulda said the same thing had someone posted something from moveon.org. However, I woulda found it credible if posted from The Cato Institute, which essentially makes me just as bad as either side of the spectrum....
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I wouldn't put the Heritage Foundation in the same league with moveon.org. That said, you can read the study and it's methodology yourself. Dismissing it out of hand seems extreme particularly when other data (e.g. from DoD) show the same facts.
 
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volinbham said:
I wouldn't put the Heritage Foundation in the same league with moveon.org. That said, you can read the study and it's methodology yourself. Dismissing it out of hand seems extreme particularly when other data (e.g. from DoD) show the same facts.
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I don't dismiss the DoD reports....I never really dismissed anything. I simply asked, and I quote, "Isn't the Heritage Foundation a conservative thinktank?" You're right about tHF and Moveon not really being on par but you got the point...However, I'll always be skeptical when one of the two major parties are directly behind a case study.
 
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