Went back & watched the Fla &UCAN't Games and.....

[alexvol]

Came to several conclusions: Fla showed the rest of the world how to play the LV....attack the point guard....rattle her....turn her over.... so that the offense becomes totally discombobulated .....if and when they get into an offensive set there has be a hurried shot because the time clock has run down.....as a result rarely does the ball go inside to Key and if they try it there are rarely clear passing lanes and it results in a turnover;they are playing too slow in their half court offensive setups ( when they are able to get one set up )......too much dribbling and one -on -one play.....need quick ,crisp passes and movement from weak side to strong side faster to create some passing lanes to the post; and as a result ,this team has lost confidence in each other and as a team. .And imo, the lost confidence is the bigger problem to fix and that starts with getting the point guards to get the LV's in an offensive set without turning the ball over and then seeing the ball go thru the hole from more than one player .I will get down off my soapbox now and listen to other more capable analysts conclusions.......

 

[Volfan2012]

Came to several conclusions: Fla showed the rest of the world how to play the LV....attack the point guard....rattle her....turn her over.... so that the offense becomes totally discombobulated .....if and when they get into an offensive set there has be a hurried shot because the time clock has run down.....as a result rarely does the ball go inside to Key and if they try it there are rarely clear passing lanes and it results in a turnover;they are playing too slow in their half court offensive setups ( when they are able to get one set up )......too much dribbling and one -on -one play.....need quick ,crisp passes and movement from weak side to strong side faster to create some passing lanes to the post; and as a result ,this team has lost confidence in each other and as a team. .And imo, the lost confidence is the bigger problem to fix and that starts with getting the point guards to get the LV's in an offensive set without turning the ball over and then seeing the ball go thru the hole from more than one player .I will get down off my soapbox now and listen to other more capable analysts conclusions.......

Has been our worst position and with the right player could turn this team into a top five team quickly. The losses we suffered would not have happened. This is the position I said last season and before this season began had to be upgraded and it hasn't happened. Next season we'll see easy to understand why we are affected in the half court offense. Thus far in both 2021 and 2022 classes we went after elite point guards and were unable to get anyone to commit. Now I think we need to see who gets in the portal and fill this position has to be a great player not just a roster filler.

 

[BelleVol]

Came to several conclusions: Fla showed the rest of the world how to play the LV....attack the point guard....rattle her....turn her over.... so that the offense becomes totally discombobulated .....if and when they get into an offensive set there has be a hurried shot because the time clock has run down.....as a result rarely does the ball go inside to Key and if they try it there are rarely clear passing lanes and it results in a turnover;they are playing too slow in their half court offensive setups ( when they are able to get one set up )......too much dribbling and one -on -one play.....need quick ,crisp passes and movement from weak side to strong side faster to create some passing lanes to the post; and as a result ,this team has lost confidence in each other and as a team. .And imo, the lost confidence is the bigger problem to fix and that starts with getting the point guards to get the LV's in an offensive set without turning the ball over and then seeing the ball go thru the hole from more than one player .I will get down off my soapbox now and listen to other more capable analysts conclusions.......

Kind of ironic that the mens Vols are starting to figure all this out and it’s working.

 

[Coach Jumper]

I rewatched the 2nd half this morning,,,with coach's eye this time and not my UT heart

My take...Everybody is trying to do more instead of next man up (for Green) and this has thrown us out of sync.

In just the last few weeks we lost a prominent player (Green) and re-gained another prominent player (Burrell). Couple that with a proven battle plan by Auburn to use against us (attack the BH'ers relentlessly). . . And you've got a lot of potential for troubles.

Welcome to the SEC...the only league where the bottoms can win against the tops.

 

[Woodsey52]

Came to several conclusions: Fla showed the rest of the world how to play the LV....attack the point guard....rattle her....turn her over.... so that the offense becomes totally discombobulated .....if and when they get into an offensive set there has be a hurried shot because the time clock has run down.....as a result rarely does the ball go inside to Key and if they try it there are rarely clear passing lanes and it results in a turnover;they are playing too slow in their half court offensive setups ( when they are able to get one set up )......too much dribbling and one -on -one play.....need quick ,crisp passes and movement from weak side to strong side faster to create some passing lanes to the post; and as a result ,this team has lost confidence in each other and as a team. .And imo, the lost confidence is the bigger problem to fix and that starts with getting the point guards to get the LV's in an offensive set without turning the ball over and then seeing the ball go thru the hole from more than one player .I will get down off my soapbox now and listen to other more capable analysts conclusions.......

Agree with most of what you say. Also they have started doing something they resort to when they are in a panic and that is they pass up open shots and drive to the basket and just throw the ball up hoping to get fouled....I hate that! And the result is no foul, no basket. They passed up lots of 3's and mid-range shots just to do that. They also charge or turn the ball over when they do that. I also think the rankings go to their head. I've seen it in past years as soon as they hit the top 5 or 10 they start that downward slide. After the Auburn and Fla game I can't believe they were still ranked #7. To be honest, after those 2 sec loses and watching other team around the country play, I don't see how they are in the top 20. I just hope they can start hitting some shots but you can't shoot when turn the ball over. Hope they can get back on track. I for sure think they have the right coach. Go LV's!!

 

[turbovol]

Came to several conclusions: Fla showed the rest of the world how to play the LV....attack the point guard....rattle her....turn her over.... so that the offense becomes totally discombobulated .....if and when they get into an offensive set there has be a hurried shot because the time clock has run down.....as a result rarely does the ball go inside to Key and if they try it there are rarely clear passing lanes and it results in a turnover;they are playing too slow in their half court offensive setups ( when they are able to get one set up )......too much dribbling and one -on -one play.....need quick ,crisp passes and movement from weak side to strong side faster to create some passing lanes to the post; and as a result ,this team has lost confidence in each other and as a team. .And imo, the lost confidence is the bigger problem to fix and that starts with getting the point guards to get the LV's in an offensive set without turning the ball over and then seeing the ball go thru the hole from more than one player .I will get down off my soapbox now and listen to other more capable analysts conclusions.......

Slow ball movement, poor-half-court play, poor team offensive play has been this program's biggest problem going all the way back to Summitt. Her teams had the same problem. Indeed, one of the very first times that I watched UConn, with its new coach Auriemma, play UT, many years ago, was that while Tennessee had the better talent, UConn ran a better and more efficent half-court offense than we did. It was very noticeable. Faster ball movement, much better, crisper passing, better shots. We relied more on our individual talent to score--just as we do now with Horston. This has been our problem for 20 years. We have very seldom played good team offense. Summitt won titles with defense and rebounding; offensive team play and shooting was not our strength. Shooting has seldom been our strength--and this problem continued with Warlick and continues today. Why, I don't know. Mind, you need players who can create and score off the dribble--but if your offense consists of mostly one player doing that you're not going to beat anybody good. Key is not a player to run our offense through, because she's not a scorer--but if the ball movement were kicker she might get a few more looks down low then she does now and we could get everyone a bit more involved in the offense--and she can kick balls out to shooters. And just all needs to happen more QUICKLY. Quick ball movement pulls defenders out of position and is how you get open 3-point looks: We ought to know as Auburn did that to us all night, as did Arkansas. Of course offense is only half the problem; our defense has also deteriorated over the last few games.

 

[OrangeBeachVol]

When Kelly was hired I was expecting the point guard position to be the strength of the team due to Kelly's expertise with that position. As some posters have said, maybe we just don't have an elite point guard right now and you can only coach what you have so much. Hopefully Kelly has made that a priority. Alexvol, IMO you nailed the issues, fixing them may be way more difficult.

More dribbling always leads to more TO's and this team does not have great dribblers. Good O teams pass more than dribble. If anyone watched the men's team Sat that could not have been more clear.

 

[Volfan2012]

Offense has never been great this season and again was wretched yesterday. Walker 30 minutes played 0 points, Darby 20 minutes 0 points, Dye 14 minutes 1 point, Miles 20 minutes 0 points. Saunder 5 minutes 0 points. That is 89 of 200 minutes consumed by players that didn't score but 1 point.

 

[Coach Jumper]

When Kelly was hired I was expecting the point guard position to be the strength of the team due to Kelly's expertise with that position. As some posters have said, maybe we just don't have an elite point guard right now and you can only coach what you have so much. Hopefully Kelly has made that a priority. Alexvol, IMO you nailed the issues, fixing them may be way more difficult.

More dribbling always leads to more TO's and this team does not have great dribblers. Good O teams pass more than dribble. If anyone watched the men's team Sat that could not have been more clear.

this was my thought as well.
My coaching strengths are shooters and bigs...I have to dole out the PG responsibilities to my assistants.

As Clint Eastwood said,,,"A man's got to know his limitations" and I know mine

 

[Volfan2012]

When Kelly was hired I was expecting the point guard position to be the strength of the team due to Kelly's expertise with that position. As some posters have said, maybe we just don't have an elite point guard right now and you can only coach what you have so much. Hopefully Kelly has made that a priority. Alexvol, IMO you nailed the issues, fixing them may be way more difficult.

More dribbling always leads to more TO's and this team does not have great dribblers. Good O teams pass more than dribble. If anyone watched the men's team Sat that could not have been more clear.

Easy to see the liability at point guard and the lack of depth in the post. Huge problem this season will be again next unless those players can be found.

 

[Nute Gunray]

Slow ball movement, poor-half-court play, poor team offensive play has been this program's biggest problem going all the way back to Summitt. Her teams had the same problem. Indeed, one of the very first times that I watched UConn, with its new coach Auriemma, play UT, many years ago, was that while Tennessee had the better talent, UConn ran a better and more efficent half-court offense than we did. It was very noticeable. Faster ball movement, much better, crisper passing, better shots. We relied more on our individual talent to score--just as we do now with Horston. This has been our problem for 20 years. We have very seldom played good team offense. Summitt won titles with defense and rebounding; offensive team play and shooting was not our strength. Shooting has seldom been our strength--and this problem continued with Warlick and continues today. Why, I don't know. Mind, you need players who can create and score off the dribble--but if your offense consists of mostly one player doing that you're not going to beat anybody good. Key is not a player to run our offense through, because she's not a scorer--but if the ball movement were kicker she might get a few more looks down low then she does now and we could get everyone a bit more involved in the offense--and she can kick balls out to shooters. And just all needs to happen more QUICKLY. Quick ball movement pulls defenders out of position and is how you get open 3-point looks: We ought to know as Auburn did that to us all night, as did Arkansas. Of course offense is only half the problem; our defense has also deteriorated over the last few games.

I agree with everything you say, turbovol, except one addition, Pat had over 1000 wins and 8 NCs. with clutch offense featuring a go-to player like Holdsclaw and Parker.

 

[OrangeBeachVol]

I agree with everything you say, turbovol, except one addition, Pat had over 1000 wins and 8 NCs. with clutch offense featuring a go-to player like Holdsclaw and Parker.

They have the go to player in Horston but when all the other players just stand around and watch like deer in the headlights, that one player can't win the game, even though Horston gave it her best shot.

 

[volroadwarrior]

Point guards are turnover machines. Then they try to go under the basket for layups and either miss them or get them crammed down their throats. Florida and Ole Miss exposed them and now everyone else knows how to beat us.

 

[Aladywhovolunteer]

A portion of a opposition scouting report on Key might say, not a scoring threat away from basket. Do not follow or guard when she catches the ball at the high post. Has exhibited no ability to shoot or put the ball on the floor from the high post. A distributor only at the high post position.
Defender needs to sag and fill passing lanes and force Key to throw the ball to backcourt players vice cutters which further reduces shot clock.

Tennessee's response should be have Key shoot that 10 foot shot every time she gets the ball unguarded at the high post. It's no more than a foul shot and Tamari has become a good free throw shooter. Even if Key misses the shot it forces someone to guard her and opens the floor for cutters.

 

[Volfan2012]

A portion of a opposition scouting report on Key might say, not a scoring threat away from basket. Do not follow or guard when she catches the ball at the high post. Has exhibited no ability to shoot or put the ball on the floor from the high post. A distributor only at the high post position.
Defender needs to sag and fill passing lanes and force Key to throw the ball to backcourt players vice cutters which further reduces shot clock.

Tennessee's response should be have Key shoot that 10 foot shot every time she gets the ball unguarded at the high post. It's no more than a foul shot and Tamari has become a good free throw shooter. Even if Key misses the shot it forces someone to guard her and opens the floor for cutters.

She can make that elbow shot and ten footer have no idea why we haven't expanded on her mid- range game.

 

[RAVOL]

Easy to understand struggles. Walker and Dye. They both have to understand if you are not scoring effect the game some other way. walker its your offense get them in sets and assist in others. Dye get on the boards and both of you defend defend you then allow other good things to happen. Rae needs to have confidence in Jump shot and Yes I wish Key was aggressive player on Offense and would become more a threat from mid range it will help open up the post for her as well. In CHRIST Alone.

 

[BruisedOrange]

I agree with everything you say, turbovol, except one addition, Pat had over 1000 wins and 8 NCs. with clutch offense featuring a go-to player like Holdsclaw and Parker.

IIRC, in big games, we frequently won when our distributing PG started shooting and hitting 3s late in the game when defences started sagging on those go-to players.

Maybe that's who we'd be this year if Rae hadn't been injured.

 

[LordBolton]

When Kelly was hired I was expecting the point guard position to be the strength of the team due to Kelly's expertise with that position. As some posters have said, maybe we just don't have an elite point guard right now and you can only coach what you have so much. Hopefully Kelly has made that a priority. Alexvol, IMO you nailed the issues, fixing them may be way more difficult.

More dribbling always leads to more TO's and this team does not have great dribblers. Good O teams pass more than dribble. If anyone watched the men's team Sat that could not have been more clear.

Maybe it could be a Frank Robinson situation. Does the Coach have any eligibility left? Could she claim the COVID year for an extra one somehow?

 

[alexvol]

IIRC, in big games, we frequently won when our distributing PG started shooting and hitting 3s late in the game when defences started sagging on those go-to players.

Maybe that's who we'd be this year if Rae hadn't been injured.

I thought that when Burrel returned to lineup and healthy ,that the trifecta of Burrell,Horston,and Key would return us to the final 4 especially that Burrell played against Kentucky but it just has not materialized.

 

[Volfan1000]

I rewatched the 2nd half this morning,,,with coach's eye this time and not my UT heart

My take...Everybody is trying to do more instead of next man up (for Green) and this has thrown us out of sync.

In just the last few weeks we lost a prominent player (Green) and re-gained another prominent player (Burrell). Couple that with a proven battle plan by Auburn to use against us (attack the BH'ers relentlessly). . . And you've got a lot of potential for troubles.

Welcome to the SEC...the only league where the bottoms can win against the tops.

The SEC has become a basketball league as well as a football league where any conference member can beat others at any time.

 

[Volfan2012]

The SEC has become a basketball league as well as a football league where any conference member can beat others at any time.

That goes for any sport men or womens. Winning the SEC now is a huge accomplishment as everyone in the league is good enough to win on a given day.

 

[JohnWardForever]

Slow ball movement, poor-half-court play, poor team offensive play has been this program's biggest problem going all the way back to Summitt. Her teams had the same problem. Indeed, one of the very first times that I watched UConn, with its new coach Auriemma, play UT, many years ago, was that while Tennessee had the better talent, UConn ran a better and more efficent half-court offense than we did. It was very noticeable. Faster ball movement, much better, crisper passing, better shots. We relied more on our individual talent to score--just as we do now with Horston. This has been our problem for 20 years. We have very seldom played good team offense. Summitt won titles with defense and rebounding; offensive team play and shooting was not our strength. Shooting has seldom been our strength--and this problem continued with Warlick and continues today. Why, I don't know. Mind, you need players who can create and score off the dribble--but if your offense consists of mostly one player doing that you're not going to beat anybody good. Key is not a player to run our offense through, because she's not a scorer--but if the ball movement were kicker she might get a few more looks down low then she does now and we could get everyone a bit more involved in the offense--and she can kick balls out to shooters. And just all needs to happen more QUICKLY. Quick ball movement pulls defenders out of position and is how you get open 3-point looks: We ought to know as Auburn did that to us all night, as did Arkansas. Of course offense is only half the problem; our defense has also deteriorated over the last few games.

Now THAT'S Just Too Honest ! Shame on ya!

 

[djtee]

Easy to see the liability at point guard and the lack of depth in the post. Huge problem this season will be again next unless those players can be found.

Bingo !

 

[TN1111]

Slow ball movement, poor-half-court play, poor team offensive play has been this program's biggest problem going all the way back to Summitt. Her teams had the same problem. Indeed, one of the very first times that I watched UConn, with its new coach Auriemma, play UT, many years ago, was that while Tennessee had the better talent, UConn ran a better and more efficent half-court offense than we did. It was very noticeable. Faster ball movement, much better, crisper passing, better shots. We relied more on our individual talent to score--just as we do now with Horston. This has been our problem for 20 years. We have very seldom played good team offense. Summitt won titles with defense and rebounding; offensive team play and shooting was not our strength. Shooting has seldom been our strength--and this problem continued with Warlick and continues today. Why, I don't know. Mind, you need players who can create and score off the dribble--but if your offense consists of mostly one player doing that you're not going to beat anybody good. Key is not a player to run our offense through, because she's not a scorer--but if the ball movement were kicker she might get a few more looks down low then she does now and we could get everyone a bit more involved in the offense--and she can kick balls out to shooters. And just all needs to happen more QUICKLY. Quick ball movement pulls defenders out of position and is how you get open 3-point looks: We ought to know as Auburn did that to us all night, as did Arkansas. Of course offense is only half the problem; our defense has also deteriorated over the last few games.

This…I know TN doesn’t have the talent of UConn, but even in Kellie’s presser after the game she made mention of just how well they [UConn] passes the ball and just how efficient the offense is they run.

Is their scheme really that hard that it’s impossible for us to teach? Of course it doesn’t guarantee a win every time but it seems to cause opposing teams more problems. I wholeheartedly believe you can run a better half court scheme without sacrificing defense and rebounding which seems to be the staple of our program.

I know it’s apples and oranges maybe, but we just witnessed this past football season a new coach come in with limited time, scholarships, and talent and they set the program record for points scored in a season with the same players (minus several starting transfers) the previous coach left.

I am really hoping Kellie decides to at least explore different schemes or a different style of play in the half court.

 

[JFP]

A portion of a opposition scouting report on Key might say, not a scoring threat away from basket. Do not follow or guard when she catches the ball at the high post. Has exhibited no ability to shoot or put the ball on the floor from the high post. A distributor only at the high post position.
Defender needs to sag and fill passing lanes and force Key to throw the ball to backcourt players vice cutters which further reduces shot clock.

Tennessee's response should be have Key shoot that 10 foot shot every time she gets the ball unguarded at the high post. It's no more than a foul shot and Tamari has become a good free throw shooter. Even if Key misses the shot it forces someone to guard her and opens the floor for cutters.