What are the Dems gonna do

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I'm sure it won't take long for this to spin into a "Republican leadership sucks" thread. While I am not arguing that Republican leadership isn't severely lacking, credit must be given where it is due. People like Dean and Emanuel have seized a great opportunity for the Democratic party and made the best of it.
 
#3
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I'm sure it won't take long for this to spin into a "Republican leadership sucks" thread. While I am not arguing that Republican leadership isn't severely lacking, credit must be given where it is due. People like Dean and Emanuel have seized a great opportunity for the Democratic party and made the best of it.

The GOP has helped them along the way...
 
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I'm sure it won't take long for this to spin into a "Republican leadership sucks" thread. While I am not arguing that Republican leadership isn't severely lacking, credit must be given where it is due. People like Dean and Emanuel have seized a great opportunity for the Democratic party and made the best of it.
Yeah there are people on here that would never give Dean any credit at all but facts are facts since he took over what is the gop's record in competitive congressional elections what do they have about a 13% winning % in competitive races.I know if I was conservative I would pray for sorry ass Mccaullife to take back over.
 
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did you bother to read my entire post?

Yes. And my point is that it has more to do with what the GOP hasn't done than what Rahm Emanuel or Dean have done.

You could have Bozo leading the DNC and there's still a chance the GOP gets their clock cleaned in November.
 
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Yes. And my point is that it has more to do with what the GOP hasn't done than what Rahm Emanuel or Dean have done.

You could have Bozo leading the DNC and there's still a chance the GOP gets their clock cleaned in November.

Really? So Democratic leadership didn't pull a magic act by winning multiple dead red districts, and the 50 state plan just happened to be implemented at the right time. Again, I think it just pains a lot of people to admit that Howard Dean isn't worthless.
 
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Really? So Democratic leadership didn't pull a magic act by winning multiple dead red districts, and the 50 state plan just happened to be implemented at the right time. Again, I think it just pains a lot of people to admit that Howard Dean isn't worthless.
Dean is a fighter he won't lay back and take it like Mccaullife.
 
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Really? So Democratic leadership didn't pull a magic act by winning multiple dead red districts, and the 50 state plan just happened to be implemented at the right time. Again, I think it just pains a lot of people to admit that Howard Dean isn't worthless.

You have no idea how frustrated people are with the GOP right now. Dems hate the pubs... and pubs hate the pubs. People are just looking for "change"...

I mean, you've still got people voting for Obama in spite of the Rev. Wright crap.
 
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You have no idea how frustrated people are with the GOP right now. Dems hate the pubs... and pubs hate the pubs. People are just looking for "change"...

I mean, you've still got people voting for Obama in spite of the Rev. Wright crap.

I understand that people are frustrated, but all I hear is this "the Dems always find a way to screw things up" crap, then when Democratic leadership does something good it's "it's only because people are fed up with the GOP."
 
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Democrat Travis Childers defeated Republican Greg Davis on Tuesday in a Mississippi district that hasn't voted Democratic in more than 15 years, one where George W. Bush defeated John Kerry by 25 points in 2004.

:eek:hmy:
 
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I understand that people are frustrated, but all I hear is this "the Dems always find a way to screw things up" crap, then when Democratic leadership does something good it's "it's only because people are fed up with the GOP."
I don't think people are fed up with the GOP as much as they are just not energized even slightly by them. Congressional Republicans of today look an awful lot like Congressional Democrats from the mid to late 90s. There's just not much being put out there to get excited about.
 
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I understand that people are frustrated, but all I hear is this "the Dems always find a way to screw things up" crap, then when Democratic leadership does something good it's "it's only because people are fed up with the GOP."

What have the dems done that is innovative or any different than what they've done the past 50 years? They still are playing class and race warfare and still demogoging and making promises of freebies.

Their message hasn't changed and their approach isn't any different than it normally is.

:dunno:
 
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What have the dems done that is innovative or any different than what they've done the past 50 years? They still are playing class and race warfare and still demogoging and making promises of freebies.

Their message hasn't changed and their approach isn't any different than it normally is.

:dunno:


I disagree, mostly because of the tactics that are being employed these days as part of the 50 state plan. They certainly aren't winning very Republican districts by going crazy left.
 
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What have the dems done that is innovative or any different than what they've done the past 50 years? They still are playing class and race warfare and still demogoging and making promises of freebies.

Their message hasn't changed and their approach isn't any different than it normally is.

:dunno:
Grassroots get out the vote efforts are much more different than they were a few years also with this economy I'm sure there are alot more people who consider class a debateable subject without calling it warfare to keep it from being talked about.
 
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Yeah, that is exactly what won them a conservative white, rural Northern Mississippi district. Please, skip the rhetoric

The grand macro-party platform is exactly what I spelled out. Obviously, on the micro level, the candidates that have a better chance to win are those dems that "posture" themselves as conservative dems. The general party platform of the dnc has not made a significant change in their message or approach.
 
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Grassroots get out the vote efforts are much more different than they were a few years also with this economy I'm sure there are alot more people who consider class a debateable subject without calling it warfare to keep it from being talked about.
very nicely said.

maybe it was the indents that made it unintelligible.
 
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Grassroots get out the vote efforts are much more different than they were a few years also with this economy I'm sure there are alot more people who consider class a debateable subject without calling it warfare to keep it from being talked about.

Isn't it funny how "class" only becomes an issue when politicians need to slam a group of people into a box and scare them?
 
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I know it's novel, but I'm thinking the candidates had a helluva lot more to do with this outcome than did Howard Dean.
 
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Yeah, that is exactly what won them a conservative white, rural Northern Mississippi district.

Is that what it is? Not sure where but I had read post-Katrina population movements had altered the demographics of some of these districts quite significantly.
 
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I know it's novel, but I'm thinking the candidates had a helluva lot more to do with this outcome than did Howard Dean.

I won't argue that they have rolled out some great candidates, but credit democratic leadership for finding the right guys to run.
 
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I won't argue that they have rolled out some great candidates, but credit democratic leadership for finding the right guys to run.
I think you have a point there. Rom Emanuel has done a good job of getting conservative Democrats elected to Congress. I'm just not sure how long the Democratic Party is going to get away with running conservative, Heath Shuler types only to have them vote in lock step with the party once they get to Washington.
 

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