What did people expect?

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UTwild82

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I know today was an ugly win. Yes, Oregon clobbered us and we made lots of mistakes against the Gators. But where did a lot of people honestly think we would be at this point? I would take bets 90 percent of us would have said we would be 3-2 at this point before the season.

Out defense is playing under their third D Coordinator in as many years. Our O-line is learning a whole new blocking scheme. And, as you can tell, we are short on talent in many areas. Not many of Dooley's last class left and Kiffins infamous class has been talked about at length.

Butch is a winner, but this isn't going to happen overnight. The guy was 50-27 in six years at CMU and Cincy. He went 4-8 his first year at Cincy before winning 9 and 10 games and shares of the Big East. And before people say "well that's the MAC and Big East" Urban Meyer and Nick Saban started out winning in the MAC before getting bigger gigs. Saban went 6-7 his first year at Bama.

I understand the frustration, I was frustrated during the second half myself. But we will get there. I still believe Butch is the guy, he has won at other schools and I believe he can do it here too. It's just going to take time, STABILITY, and some quality recruiting classes.
 
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Aside from recruiting, I think just about any coach could have done what Butch has done so far.

But i guess we'll see.
 
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UTwild82 said:
I know today was an ugly win. Yes, Oregon clobbered us and we made lots of mistakes against the Gators. But where did a lot of people honestly think we would be at this point? I would take bets 90 percent of us would have said we would be 3-2 at this point before the season.

Out defense is playing under their third D Coordinator in as many years. Our O-line is learning a whole new blocking scheme. And, as you can tell, we are short on talent in many areas. Not many of Dooley's last class left and Kiffins infamous class has been talked about at length.

Butch is a winner, but this isn't going to happen overnight. The guy was 50-27 in six years at CMU and Cincy. He went 4-8 his first year at Cincy before winning 9 and 10 games and shares of the Big East. And before people say "well that's the MAC and Big East" Urban Meyer and Nick Saban started out winning in the MAC before getting bigger gigs. Saban went 6-7 his first year at Bama.

I understand the frustration, I was frustrated during the second half myself. But we will get there. I still believe Butch is the guy, he has won at other schools and I believe he can do it here too. It's just going to take time, STABILITY, and some quality recruiting classes.
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Many of the posters on VN are unrealistic. So their expectations far exceeded realistic possibilities.
 
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Thanks for trying to talk some sense into the McDonalds fans.. they want it quick and now..it takes time to build a program (hence brick by brick) but i'm glad someone sees the bigger picture. GO VOLS!!
 
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I think people expected Tn to win the ones they are suppose to and be competitive in games that they should be and show progress each game. the first one is the only thing they have did and they are not competitive in games they should be and I have not seen any kind of progress period. but hey , the talent level isn't there and the depth is bad so this must be year zero. Next year will be worse than this year.
 
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It's going to take time and everyone agrees. However, I think that it wasn't unreasonable to expect the Vols to convincingly beat a team that lost to Southern Utah.
 
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Here's the problem: guys like Juin, Arnold, Swafford, and Toney have no business playing in the SEC, yet they are being counted on right now. Our Oline is vastly overrated and despite getting 300 yds rushing against a team that started playing football in 2009, Worley was rushed into throws repeatedly which means the pass protection was poor. Neal and Lane are very average and probably wouldn't start for the majority of SEC schools. Our WRs are so underwhelming and inexperienced that 2 true freshman are starting, one being a 2* recruit who is slow and undersized. Our LBs tackle ok, but look like drunks on roller skates in pass coverage and are ssssslllllloooooowwwwwww. To sum it up, our talent is at an all time low. Recruiting and patience will be the only things that will fix this dumpster fire. Recruiting is off to a good start, but I'm not sure if this neanderthal fanbase has the patience to give BJ a fair shot at fixing this.
 
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Yeah, I think we all expected to be 3-2 at this point. I'd say we're 3-1-1...a lot of folks credit the florida game as a moral victory (something about not giving up and what not)
 
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UTwild82 said:
I know today was an ugly win. Yes, Oregon clobbered us and we made lots of mistakes against the Gators. But where did a lot of people honestly think we would be at this point? I would take bets 90 percent of us would have said we would be 3-2 at this point before the season.

Out defense is playing under their third D Coordinator in as many years. Our O-line is learning a whole new blocking scheme. And, as you can tell, we are short on talent in many areas. Not many of Dooley's last class left and Kiffins infamous class has been talked about at length.

Butch is a winner, but this isn't going to happen overnight. The guy was 50-27 in six years at CMU and Cincy. He went 4-8 his first year at Cincy before winning 9 and 10 games and shares of the Big East. And before people say "well that's the MAC and Big East" Urban Meyer and Nick Saban started out winning in the MAC before getting bigger gigs. Saban went 6-7 his first year at Bama.

I understand the frustration, I was frustrated during the second half myself. But we will get there. I still believe Butch is the guy, he has won at other schools and I believe he can do it here too. It's just going to take time, STABILITY, and some quality recruiting classes.
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Alabama lost to Louisana-Monroe, in 2007, which is Saban's first season. So, getting off to a rocky start is expected when the program is this far down.

Like I have said many times in the past. Majors took about ten seasons before he was winning consistently. Sure he had a few winning seasons in that ten year stretch but he had winning seasons, then a losing season, then a winning season, then two losing seasons, etc.

I expect us to be "Brick by Brick" until 2015!!! Then in 2015, we should have a winning team.
 
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Rudy123 said:
Alabama lost to Louisana-Monroe, in 2007, which is Saban's first season. So, getting off to a rocky start is expected when the program is this far down.

Like I have said many times in the past. Majors took about ten seasons before he was winning consistently. Sure he had a few winning seasons in that ten year stretch but he had winning seasons, then a losing season, then a winning season, then two losing seasons, etc.

I expect us to be "Brick by Brick" until 2015!!! Then in 2015, we should have a winning team.
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...Saban had already won a National Championship by that time too.
 
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Rudy123 said:
Alabama lost to Louisana-Monroe, in 2007, which is Saban's first season. So, getting off to a rocky start is expected when the program is this far down.

Like I have said many times in the past. Majors took about ten seasons before he was winning consistently. Sure he had a few winning seasons in that ten year stretch but he had winning seasons, then a losing season, then a winning season, then two losing seasons, etc.

I expect us to be "Brick by Brick" until 2015!!! Then in 2015, we should have a winning team.
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The Saban comparison I think it worn out and kind of needs to stop. The next year, Saban went 12-2 (8-0 SEC) and lost a BCS bowl. Does anybody really think Tennessee has even the slightest chance to do that next year?
 
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PanicVol said:
Aside from recruiting, I think just about any coach could have done what Butch has done so far.

But i guess we'll see.
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That's because we have played 3 teams substantially worse than the Vols and 2 way better. One light years better. CBJ real test comes in the last 4 games of the season when they play 4 teams they are pretty close in talent to. That's how and when you judge the coaching. General Neyland would be 3-2 at this point and would be 3-5 going into the last 4. 7-5 gets Butch an A. 6-6 a C+ any thing below .500 is a fail.
 
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05_never_again said:
The Saban comparison I think it worn out and kind of needs to stop. The next year, Saban went 12-2 (8-0 SEC) and lost a BCS bowl. Does anybody really think Tennessee has even the slightest chance to do that next year?
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No, probably not but I expect to see some improvement from year 1 to year 2, despite losing some key guys in the trenches. I think year three, if recruiting stays in track, we may get to that point.
 
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1974Vol said:
That's because we have played 3 teams substantially worse than the Vols and 2 way better. One light years better. CBJ real test comes in the last 4 games of the season when they play 4 teams they are pretty close in talent to. That's how and when you judge the coaching. General Neyland would be 3-2 at this point and would be 3-5 going into the last 4. 7-5 gets Butch an A. 6-6 a C+ any thing below .500 is a fail.
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If this team still finds a way to go 6-6 he should win COTY
 
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1974Vol said:
That's because we have played 3 teams substantially worse than the Vols and 2 way better. One light years better. CBJ real test comes in the last 4 games of the season when they play 4 teams they are pretty close in talent to. That's how and when you judge the coaching. General Neyland would be 3-2 at this point and would be 3-5 going into the last 4. 7-5 gets Butch an A. 6-6 a C+ any thing below .500 is a fail.
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Agreed.

In other news, Oregon 112 Cal 0 1st quarter
 
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UTwild82 said:
No, probably not but I expect to see some improvement from year 1 to year 2, despite losing some key guys in the trenches. I think year three, if recruiting stays in track, we may get to that point.
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Well of course you'd like to see some improvement...my point is that it'll be at least 5 years before Tennessee is capable of going 8-0 in conference play, and that's assuming Butch is "the guy" who will take the team there. If Tennessee is still a 5-6 win team in 3 years, the reset button will be pushed again.
 
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A win is a win. I would have loved to have hung 50 on the Jags, but it didn't happen.

Everybody complaining about how we have so much more talent than S. Alabama, are failing to realize that we may have more talent, but not at key positions... mainly the QB position. A good QB makes and breaks an offense. Look at what Cam did at Auburn! He won a terrible coach and a mediocre team, a National Championship!

I like Worley, but he's just not poised to be a top SEC QB. I think a lot of that has to do with stability. That's the whole teams problem. These guys have to learn a different style of play every year, and lets face it, taking beatings by your conference foes doesn't do much for your confidence, either.

S. Alabama may not have a team full of 4* and 5* athletes, but underdogs like them play with a lot of heart and chips on their shoulders. That's why stars don't mean a hill of crap, if a kid is a gamer he's a gamer. Take it from somebody that watched Chris Donald from the time he was in 7th grade until he was recruited by Tennessee as a 5* #3 linebacker in the country. He was an absolute STUD his whole high school career. He was a man among boys, and could play at half speed and completely dominate the game. He got to Tennessee and everybody was just as good as he was. Physically he could play with anybody, but mentally he just couldn't overcome the competition level, and alas his only play at Tennessee was a roughing the kicker penalty. Give me a 3* with something to prove and goes full speed from whistle to whistle as apposed to a 5* that's never had to deal with adversity...
 
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DuckVol said:
A win is a win. I would have loved to have hung 50 on the Jags, but it didn't happen.

Everybody complaining about how we have so much more talent than S. Alabama, are failing to realize that we may have more talent, but not at key positions... mainly the QB position. A good QB makes and breaks an offense. Look at what Cam did at Auburn! He won a terrible coach and a mediocre team, a National Championship!

I like Worley, but he's just not poised to be a top SEC QB. I think a lot of that has to do with stability. That's the whole teams problem. These guys have to learn a different style of play every year, and lets face it, taking beatings by your conference foes doesn't do much for your confidence, either.

S. Alabama may not have a team full of 4* and 5* athletes, but underdogs like them play with a lot of heart and chips on their shoulders. That's why stars don't mean a hill of crap, if a kid is a gamer he's a gamer. Take it from somebody that watched Chris Donald from the time he was in 7th grade until he was recruited by Tennessee as a 5* #3 linebacker in the country. He was an absolute STUD his whole high school career. He was a man among boys, and could play at half speed and completely dominate the game. He got to Tennessee and everybody was just as good as he was. Physically he could play with anybody, but mentally he just couldn't overcome the competition level, and alas his only play at Tennessee was a roughing the kicker penalty. Give me a 3* with something to prove and goes full speed from whistle to whistle as apposed to a 5* that's never had to deal with adversity...
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A+, Best post ive read in a while.
 
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We have to remember too that we're loosing just about our entire offensive line after this year. They're the best thing this team has and next year will be tough on whoever is qb unless the big boys coming in can play the same.

I like CBJ and I think he'll be alright, it's hard to wait when your teams be down for so long.We'll get there though!
 
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