What happens if UT defeats GA and GA defeats FL?

[WA_Vol]

What happens if UT defeats GA and GA defeats FL?

3 way tie in the SEC east. What is the rule that determines who plays in the SEC Champ. Game?

 

[OrangeAndBlue]

BCS ranking...at least thats the last tiebreaker, I think after record vs. the West and some others.

That still pisses me off that they decided to change the policyand go political, which used to be a league wide vote for who would get in. I really think the Gators may have gotten the nod that year if that was the case.

 

[Mr. Rockytop]

I think it will go in our favor by beating Georgia ,as long as we beat them by more than 1 point because we only lost to Florida, which was a ranked team by 1 point.

 

[WA_Vol]

I think this is a realistic scenario where UT can still slip into the SEC Champ. Game.

 

[jakez4ut]

i think most would agree that UF could definitely lose two games in conference....3? doubtful. If they were to lose two, we'd have to win out, and we'd go....but even if we beat UGA, i can't see us also beating LSU this year...in that case, you'd need UF to lose 3...which again, i don't see happening, it's possible, sure, but not likely. the one with the most to lose/gain depending perspective is UGA....thier schedule is basically three games: UT, UF and Auburn.

I think it's likely UT, UGA and UF will all have at leat two conf. losses....then it will be interesting.

 

[allvol123]

i think most would agree that UF could definitely lose two games in conference....3? doubtful. If they were to lose two, we'd have to win out, and we'd go....but even if we beat UGA, i can't see us also beating LSU this year...in that case, you'd need UF to lose 3...which again, i don't see happening, it's possible, sure, but not likely. the one with the most to lose/gain depending perspective is UGA....thier schedule is basically three games: UT, UF and Auburn.

I think it's likely UT, UGA and UF will all have at leat two conf. losses....then it will be interesting.

I agree with this. I think whoever wins the east will have 2 conference losses.

 

[jakez4ut]

the bad thing about threads like this is, it's only week 4....so much can still happen, good and bad....i remrember having similar converstations like this after the LSU game last year...oops.

 

[volinbham]

the bad thing about threads like this is, it's only week 4....so much can still happen, good and bad....i remrember having similar converstations like this after the LSU game last year...oops.

:lol: ..... :blink: wait a minute, that's too true to be funny

 

[#10_Ainge_#10]

So much can happen between now and then.....But I think that Florida could very well lose 3 conference games....LSU, Auburn, and Georgia, but I don't think they'll get beat by Georgia unless their offense starts to click as well, Defense could win them that game though...our best bet, IMO is beat LSU and Georgia and Florida lose to Auburn and LSU....If they managed to let Georgia beat them though, that would make the scenario alot more simple

 

[tclowers23]

To get into the SEC Championship game... UT MUST WIN OUT... nothing less.

 

[jakez4ut]

To get into the SEC Championship game... UT MUST WIN OUT... nothing less.

and i think that's the approach the team needs to take...worry about what you can control, not what the other team does....this season really is a "one at a time" situation.

let us fans worry about what the other teams do...

 

[jakez4ut]

:lol: ..... :blink: wait a minute, that's too true to be funny

yeah...i'm trying to temper myslef from getting in to these kinds of discussions (it's worked real well hasn't it?:blink: ) just because of that...

oh well, the prognostication is fun, it's a good discussion...speculation though is just that....we still got a HUGE game against UGA who i don't think is going to suck as much as some on here think....it would not suprise me to see UGA in the SEC CG again.

 

[tclowers23]

and i think that's the approach the team needs to take...worry about what you can control, not what the other team does....this season really is a "one at a time" situation.

let us fans worry about what the other teams do...

haha... got that right. As long as UT wins from here on out, this will be a topic all year on Vol Nation... who needs to lose for UT to get to the SHIP.

 

[OrangeSquare]

What HAS to happen for Tennessee to make it to the SEC CG.

1. Easiest solution. Tennessee wins out, and Florida loses two SEC Games.

2. IF Tennessee wins out, and Florida only loses to Georgia in SEC play, and Georgia only loses to Tennessee in SEC play then Tennessee will NOT make the SEC CG unless Florida were to lose to Florida St, and drop more than 5 BCS slots below the Vols.

3. IF Tennessee wins out, and Florida only loses to Georgia in SEC play, and Georgia only loses to Tennessee in SEC play then Tennessee will NOT make the SEC CG unless Georgia is the highest ranked BCS team, and then Tennessee would have to be ahead of Florida in the BCS by atleast one spot.

4. IF Tennessee wins out, and Florida only loses to Georgia in SEC play, and Georgia only loses to Tennessee in SEC play then Tennessee will NOT make the SEC CG unless they are the highest ranked BCS team of the three, and Georgia is ahead of Florida in the BCS standings.

Basically, if it comes to three way tiebreaker, we need Florida to have lost BAD enough to Florida St, to drop them five spots behind the Vols unless Georgia is the highest ranked BCS team and Tennessee is second to them, and ahead of Florida.

It will be hard for Tennessee to ever win these 3 way tiebreakers because the level of out of conference opponents are so weak with Georgia and Florida that they aren't going to be far enough behind Tennessee in the BCS for the head to head exception to work in the Vols favor.

 

[therealUT]

To get into the SEC Championship game... UT MUST WIN OUT... nothing less.

Negative. UT can drop the LSU game on the following logic. If Florida is able to knock off either LSU or Auburn then they will definitely knock off UGA. If they lose to both of those teams (quite possible indeed), then there is no way that UF gets up for the UGA game, and they lose 3 in a row.

LSU is good, real good. On top of that, they have had this game marked on the calendar since last year. We cannot even hope for inclement weather to help us out, since we would have to rely on our lines vs. theirs, and well, that is where they are going to win the battle anyway.

Basically, we lose to LSU, lose to Auburn in the SECCG, and beat Miami in the Peach Bowl.

 

[tclowers23]

Negative. UT can drop the LSU game on the following logic. If Florida is able to knock off either LSU or Auburn then they will definitely knock off UGA. If they lose to both of those teams (quite possible indeed), then there is no way that UF gets up for the UGA game, and they lose 3 in a row.

LSU is good, real good. On top of that, they have had this game marked on the calendar since last year. We cannot even hope for inclement weather to help us out, since we would have to rely on our lines vs. theirs, and well, that is where they are going to win the battle anyway.

Basically, we lose to LSU, lose to Auburn in the SECCG, and beat Miami in the Peach Bowl.

Let me rephrase it... the ensure a greater possibility of reaching the SEC Champ... UT MUST WIN OUT! That better?

 

[jaybird_1981]

Negative. UT can drop the LSU game on the following logic. If Florida is able to knock off either LSU or Auburn then they will definitely knock off UGA. If they lose to both of those teams (quite possible indeed), then there is no way that UF gets up for the UGA game, and they lose 3 in a row.

LSU is good, real good. On top of that, they have had this game marked on the calendar since last year. We cannot even hope for inclement weather to help us out, since we would have to rely on our lines vs. theirs, and well, that is where they are going to win the battle anyway.

Basically, we lose to LSU, lose to Auburn in the SECCG, and beat Miami in the Peach Bowl.

Florida will not lose to UGA this year, regardless.

 

[#10_Ainge_#10]

Florida will not lose to UGA this year, regardless.

I have to agree jaybird, but we have to hope for that....I'd feel alot more comfortable if we were to win out and had a 2 game cushion against Florida....Because as its obvious, we'd have the tiebreaker of UGA

 

[jakez4ut]

i still say wait til after the UGA game to really start discussing this...i know it's fun and all, but too many games left....UGA won't be an easy game, and i still say they have the best shot at getting to the CG based on thier schedule.

 

[tclowers23]

i still say wait til after the UGA game to really start discussing this...i know it's fun and all, but too many games left....UGA won't be an easy game, and i still say they have the best shot at getting to the CG based on thier schedule.

I'm with Jake on this one....

Win over Marshall... win at Memphis... then start focusing on how the beat Georgia...

 

[jakez4ut]

I'm with Jake on this one....

Win over Marshall... win at Memphis... then start focusing on how the beat Georgia...

yep. we'll all have it figured out, and then lose to UGA, and it will be all for not....and i'm not saying we WILL lose to UGA...just that is still a possibility since we haven't played yet.hmy:

 

[WA_Vol]

i think most would agree that UF could definitely lose two games in conference....3? doubtful. If they were to lose two, we'd have to win out, and we'd go....but even if we beat UGA, i can't see us also beating LSU this year...in that case, you'd need UF to lose 3...which again, i don't see happening, it's possible, sure, but not likely. the one with the most to lose/gain depending perspective is UGA....thier schedule is basically three games: UT, UF and Auburn.

I think it's likely UT, UGA and UF will all have at leat two conf. losses....then it will be interesting.

Your argument isn't supported by recent history.
The majority of the time, the SEC East Champ loses one game or less in the SEC.

Most of the time they enter the SEC champ game with only 1 SEC loss. Very few teams from the SEC East have made it to the SEC Champ Game with 2 SEC losses.

 

[jakez4ut]

Your argument isn't supported by recent history.

The majority of the time, the SEC east champ loses one game or fewer in the SEC. Most of the time they enter the SEC champ game with only 1 SEC loss.

Very few teams from the SEC east have made it to the SEC Champ Game with 2 SEC losses.

historically, i agree. but this year is this year...

let's face it...UF has LSU, AUB, GA in conference still...not to mention Bama. two losses is not inconceivable with that 4 game stretch--probably to LSU and AUB...those are the only two teams i can say that i honestly think are BETTER than the Gators.

UGA has TN, AUB and UF--and we still don't know all that much about them, other than they have a good D and good Running backs...Stafford is the key to that team...they will rise or fall in how fast, or slow, he is to develop. Even if they beat us, i see them losing to UF and Auburn.

TN has UGA, LSU and BAMA. We already lost to UF, and we will likely lose to LSU...the UGA is a toss up and i would hope we could beat Bama...minimum two losses for us this year.

it's not unreasonable to think that all three could have two losses. Esp. when UGA/UF play each other...and they both play Auburn.

and Auburn will win the SEC, maybe, maybe with one loss...but every game on their schedule is winnable.

History tells us differently, true, but this year, is this year...it will all play out in the end...:thumbsup:

 

[OrangeSquare]

For a TRUE three way tie, Tennessee MUST beat UGA and UGA MSUT beat UF.

IF Florida's two SEC losses are to west teams, they would still go to the SEC CG over UT and UGA.

 

[jakez4ut]

For a TRUE three way tie, Tennessee MUST beat UGA and UGA MSUT beat UF.

IF Florida's two SEC losses are to west teams, they would still go to the SEC CG over UT and UGA.

:thumbsup: exactly....which is why i think this discussion is moot until AFTER the UGA game, assuming we would win it.