What matters to you?, What issues drive your political beliefs and behavior

Ultimately what do you vote for, stand up for and support most strongly


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OrangeEmpire

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I've recently started reading a book (the title and author I won't disclose for fear of derailing the discussion) whose main thesis was that conservative politicians use social issues to lure lower class voters to support conservatives in elections, but ignore these issues once in power and instead focus on economic policies. I won't speak to the merits, or lack thereof, of this theory, but instead ask you:

What do you care about most in politics?

Economic Issues entail anything to do directly with dollars and cents and management of the economy, and include but are not limited to taxes, social programs, regulation, inflation, jobs, labor and trade policy.

Social Issues entail anything to do with social norms and values and include but are not limited to abortion, gun control, fighting crime, church/state separation, women's issues, inequality for minorities and freedom of speech.

Foreign Policy Issues entail our relations with and pursuing our interests with other nations and include but are not limited to the war on terror, the war on iraq, confronting rogue states such as Iran and North Korea and involvement in the U.N and international peacekeeping efforst.

Now I'll grant you that distinctions are not always clear cut. Is the environment or affirmative action a social or an economic issue? Is NAFTA or job oustourcing an economic or foreign policy issue? A strong military has both foreign policy and economic implications. Never the less, I think that broad categories exist and most of us feel most strongly about one.

The second question is more personal. I'm not asking that you divulge who you vote for (although you can if you want to) but rather what do you support most strongly? There's no "other or none of the above" here. When bang comes to cruch and you had to pick one, what do you support most strongly.

Liberal stance on economic issues would likely include opposition to tax cuts for the wealthy, support of a "guaranteed income", opposition to "welfare reform" and support of organized labor.

Conservative stance on economic issues would likely include tax relief, deregulation and support of free trade.

Liberal stance on social issues would likely include support for legal abortions, firearms restrictions and strict separation of church and state.

Conservative stance on social issues would likely include tougher treatment of convicted criminals, prayer and "intelligent design" in the schools and restrictions or outright prohibition of legal abortions.

Liberal stance on foreign policy issues would likely include opposition to the war in Iraq, support for the U.N and a more multilateral approach to foreign relations (this means acting in concert with other allied nations)

Conservative stance on foreign policy issues would likely include support for the war in Iraq, tough military confrontation with Iran, Cuba, North Korea or the like and a more unilateral approach to foreign relations (which means acting alone, without the support of the world if necessary)

Thoughts?

*Note-You may choose more than one with regards to the poll.
 
#2
#2
Conservative stance on economic issues

Liberal stance on social issues

Hence I am adrift...
 
#5
#5
Conservative stance on economic issues

Liberal stance on social issues

Hence I am adrift...

In other words you know the government shouldn't be handing out entitlements, but your heart won't let you stop them. :p
 
#6
#6
Like most men on this board I let my penis make all of my important decisions.
 
#9
#9
:lolabove:

I got caught online at work because the last two posts made me laugh really hard.
 
#11
#11
one of my weaknesses is I dont know much about politics, hell I didn't realize how much power a school board has.
 
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one of my weaknesses is I dont know much about politics, hell I didn't realize how much power a school board has.

You would be amazed at how much an assistant to the vice assistant to the vice principal makes a year then. They spend ALOT of freaking money on education yet some of the schools I see still look like a castle out of the dark ages still.
 
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You would be amazed at how much an assistant to the vice assistant to the vice principal makes a year then. They spend ALOT of freaking money on education yet some of the schools I see still look like a castle out of the dark ages still.

I couldn't agree more. All of the head people of the school systems get ludicrous amounts of money, while the teachers themselves still don't get what they should. The students and parents have more and more random fees that they are forced to pay out of pocket, and most of the schools are dumps.

Tennessee starts the lottery for education. Bredeson reallocates money to help the state's education system. Now the huge cigarette tax is passed under the guise of education. Now my county and city have passed separate property tax increases for "education". I have yet to see anything done at any of the schools I have been to. But, I have seen a new superintendent hired and paid millions of dollars. I've seen our school board get high pay increases. I've seen new county school positions with ridiculous salaries created. It is one of the most frustrating issues I've ever seen. But unfortunately, you can't even use it as a deciding issue when it comes to an election. Everybody uses the "I want to help education" platform, but nothing is ever achieved, other than padding the pockets of the already-wealthy. Come to think of it, that sounds like all of politics. :banghead2:

OK, I'm stepping off my soapbox now.
 
#19
#19
Start looking into salaries of head coaches/athletic directors at schools. Many of them actually make more than principals and even some school superintendents. Amazing how athletics has more priority and emphasis than academics.
 
#21
#21
Some of that is market forces -- supply and demand of candidates.

Some of it is the nature of athletics that makes judging performance a bit clearer - losing record; fire the coach. Crappy school; can't fire the administrators...
 
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I couldn't agree more. All of the head people of the school systems get ludicrous amounts of money, while the teachers themselves still don't get what they should. The students and parents have more and more random fees that they are forced to pay out of pocket, and most of the schools are dumps.

Tennessee starts the lottery for education. Bredeson reallocates money to help the state's education system. Now the huge cigarette tax is passed under the guise of education. Now my county and city have passed separate property tax increases for "education". I have yet to see anything done at any of the schools I have been to. But, I have seen a new superintendent hired and paid millions of dollars. I've seen our school board get high pay increases. I've seen new county school positions with ridiculous salaries created. It is one of the most frustrating issues I've ever seen. But unfortunately, you can't even use it as a deciding issue when it comes to an election. Everybody uses the "I want to help education" platform, but nothing is ever achieved, other than padding the pockets of the already-wealthy. Come to think of it, that sounds like all of politics. :banghead2:

OK, I'm stepping off my soapbox now.

At least students get lottery scholarships in Tennessee. The criminal politicians in Texas got voters to approve the lottery since ALL profits would go to education. In fact ALL lottery surplus does go to education. HOWEVER, the voters didn't realize that the crooks in Austin would then reduce state funding by the amount generated by the lottery. :crazy:
 

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