What method is more effective?

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Option 1) load up the class early including fringy 3 star recruits. Be the first elite school to offer


Option 2) be selective and if spots are available later in the process target kids that are committed to other schools.


If I knew how to start a poll I would do so.
 
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Option 1 has yielded.


Players:
Hall
Mosely was flipped fairly early in the process
Wolf/thomas fit here for some although scout rated them highly


Raulerson
Blanc
Creamer
Oliver
Bryant
Kid from knoxville that is a Mtsu

And 7-10 kids that were ask to look around


That's approximately 4/16 in the success rate.
 
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Option 2 has yielded

Players:
Foreman
Mixon
Wiesman
Roberson
Vickers
Williams



Bransiel(played as fresh but filtered out due to injuries)


All kids that have contributed at a high rate

These kids didn't help.


Johnson
Jenkins
Brown
 
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BruinVol said:
Option 2 has yielded

Players:
Dobbs
Mosely
Foreman
Mixon
Bynum
Wiesman
Roberson
Vickers
Williams



All kids that have contributed at a high rate
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Mosely belongs in the first option group. Even though he was committed to a lower level school, we took his commitment fairly early in the process, like September if I remember correctly.
 
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Dust10 said:
Mosely belongs in the first option group. Even though he was committed to a lower level school, we took his commitment fairly early in the process, like September if I remember correctly.
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Fair enough.

I will edit
 
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BruinVol said:
Option 2 has yielded

Players:
Dobbs
Mosely(we did flip him but he did commit fairly early in the process)
Foreman
Mixon
Bynum
Wiesman
Roberson
Vickers
Williams



All kids that have contributed at a high rate
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If you're going to do this, Bruin, it's super disingenuous to count 2013 recruits since, y'know, the staff didn't really have a chance of accepting commitments before December 2012.

Edit: especially when the approach the staff took upon arriving to Tennessee was basically "oh crap recruit everyone who will give us time a day and see what sticks."
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
If you're going to do this, Bruin, it's super disingenuous to count 2013 recruits since, y'know, the staff didn't really have a chance of accepting commitments before December 2012.
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Which further proves the point.

The staff can go get players, really good players at the end of the cycle when spots are available
 
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BruinVol said:
Which further proves the point.

The staff can go get players, really good players at the end of the cycle when spots are available
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If you leave out

AJ Branisel
Ryan Jenkins
Lemond Johnson
Malik Brown

then yeah, I guess can argue that.

Edit: And Vickers was not a "flip." He comitted to USC and didn't qualify. We added him well after signing day. You can't just count on that happening every year.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
If you leave out

AJ Branisel
Ryan Jenkins
Lemond Johnson
Malik Brown

then yeah, I guess can argue that.
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Sure I can add those but I was more focusing on kids that were already committed.

Were they committed?

Regardless if I add them the % of success is still Overwhelming for patience being the
Key
 
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BruinVol said:
Sure I can add those but I was more focusing on kids that were already committed.

Were they committed?

Regardless if I add them the % of success is still Overwhelming for patience being the
Key
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All of them were previously committed to other schools before we flipped them.

And Vickers did not commit until May 2013, well after he wasn't able to make it onto campus at USC. That is not something that can be counted on to happen every year and he should not be counted as a flip.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
All of them were previously committed to other schools before we flipped them.

And Vickers did not commit until May 2013, well after he wasn't able to make it onto campus at USC. That is not something that can be counted on to happen every year and he should not be counted as a flip.
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Ok will add those 4


As for vickers. Having a spot isn't always a bad thing
 
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Maybe instead of not taking their commitment, just be up front with them that as this class goes on it could be possible to be asked to blueshirt, if they still want to commit then by all means. For all I know that could be happening and these kids may just have a negative reaction to being told that as fact instead of a possibility, they just have a broader platform to speak on now (social media). Christmas-giles seems like one of the diamonds in the rough he spotted early and it didn't matter. butch has done of a good job of finding 3 stars that can contribute but he's missed on some also, it happens with every school. Bama misses on players and cuts for better prosepects too. His options are to be honest and potentially sign 5 less players than allowed to leave some "star room" or cover his trail and make sure he's in the best spot to succeed. What would make this whole thing a lot easier is an early signing period, if these kids could sign LOI'S in December you would find out who was serious about these offers, both coaches and players.
 
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BruinVol said:
lol

It deserves it's own thread since it proves waiting is much more effective before taking fringy 3 star kids
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It proves nothing at all......obviously we all hope the guys that Butch settles on are the more productive guys. Several guys on this list are Dooley recruits so they were probably considered high level guys by him. My guess since none of us knows for sure is that the staff offers and accepts a commitment from Tim Hart bc they really like him as a player. They probably tell the player that they are going to keep evaluating him and when they don't see the necessary strides by the player then they go in a different direction. I certainly hope our coaches player evaluations is not based off of what Rivals and 247 has to say about the players.
 
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2015:

They took Lovinggood, Griffen, A. Smith, Picou, Hall, D. Miller, and M. Abernathy early. The only "fringe" players they took late are Kelly and Young. And it's too early to say which players from this class will and won't have an impact. But most of the late additions in the class were big playemakers.

2014:

Early takes are C. Thomas, Creamer, Wolf, Bryant, Raulerson, and E. Moseley. The late takes were C. Mosley and Robertson. Looks like they're 50/50 so far, and I believe all will contribute while here.

I'm not seeing your point Bruin. Looks like the staff evaluates well as a rule. Then they fill the spots they have available with the best possible players.
 
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I do have to admit that sometimes when I see a fringe recruit I say to myself, "I don't see this one sticking." But sometimes they do stick, so I dunno. It's not my job to figure this stuff out. If it were, maybe I'd do a few things differently. I can admit that.
 
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volbeast33 said:
It proves nothing at all......obviously we all hope the guys that Butch settles on are the more productive guys. Several guys on this list are Dooley recruits so they were probably considered high level guys by him. My guess since none of us knows for sure is that the staff offers and accepts a commitment from Tim Hart bc they really like him as a player. They probably tell the player that they are going to keep evaluating him and when they don't see the necessary strides by the player then they go in a different direction. I certainly hope our coaches player evaluations is not based off of what Rivals and 247 has to say about the players.
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Which ones listed were dd recruits?

I didn't think any if so I will remove
 
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Dust10 said:
I do have to admit that sometimes when I see a fringe recruit I say to myself, "I don't see this one sticking." But sometimes they do stick, so I dunno. It's not my job to figure this stuff out. If it were, maybe I'd do a few things differently. I can admit that.
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A large % of those taken early haven't stuck

I am speaking of 3 star guys across the board. Many of the names listed here by others were 4 stars on some sites
 
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