What was the turning point/jump the shark moment in 2020?

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I have been giving this a lot of thought and have come to believe that THE point at which the die was cast on 2020 was when Trump was released from the hospital and had them do the helicopter drop off redux, so he could stand there and defiantly take off his mask.

To do that right after having been hospitalized with Covid I think was too much. He lost credibility with a lot of folks when he did that who might have otherwise given him the benefit of the doubt.

Biden was hardly an attractive candidate, enjoying lukewarm support, similar to HRC when you think about it. Trump lost 2020 as much as Biden won it. Your thoughts on when the turning point was?
 
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lawgator1 said:
I have been giving this a lot of thought and have come to believe that THE point at which the die was cast on 2020 was when Trump was released from the hospital and had them do the helicopter drop off redux, so he could stand there and defiantly take off his mask.

To do that right after having been hospitalized with Covid I think was too much. He lost credibility with a lot of folks when he did that who might have otherwise given him the benefit of the doubt.

Biden was hardly an attractive candidate, enjoying lukewarm support, similar to HRC when you think about it. Trump lost 2020 as much as Biden won it. Your thoughts on when the turning point was?
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CHEAT BY MAIL.
 
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I don't believe there was a "point". I believe he overplayed his shtick. The more people, who weren't occupied with work and commuting, got of his bombastic, bullying via social media and press conferences the more people wanted anyone but Trump.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I have been giving this a lot of thought and have come to believe that THE point at which the die was cast on 2020 was when Trump was released from the hospital and had them do the helicopter drop off redux, so he could stand there and defiantly take off his mask.

To do that right after having been hospitalized with Covid I think was too much. He lost credibility with a lot of folks when he did that who might have otherwise given him the benefit of the doubt.

Biden was hardly an attractive candidate, enjoying lukewarm support, similar to HRC when you think about it. Trump lost 2020 as much as Biden won it. Your thoughts on when the turning point was?
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The turning point was when you started the 1000th Trump bad thread. Congrats! You did it!
 
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Grand Vol said:
Turning point?

As PJ pointed out when we allowed Fauci to get in front of a camera...
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PJ places too much weight on that. Fauci was a disaster, but even if Trump would have booted him off the stage once it was apparent that he had an agenda, I guarantee you the media would have made him a martyr and he STILL would have had as much media access as he would have gotten if he was front and center. In other words, Fauci was going to be a bad actor regardless of what Trump did.
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Rasputin_Vol said:
PJ places too much weight on that. Fauci was a disaster, but even if Trump would have booted him off the stage once it was apparent that he had an agenda, I guarantee you the media would have made him a martyr and he STILL would have had as much media access as he would have gotten if he was front and center. In other words, Fauci was going to be a bad actor regardless of what Trump did.
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That's my point. Shouldn't have allowed him in front in the first place
 
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When the Chinese secretly unleashed Covid to the world.

It gave Beijing B:

* A way to shelter in at home so he wouldn't make a fool of himself even more than he already was. Also he was able to hide his low energy.

* It served as a major excuse to change voting legislation in blue states, and some others they were in serious danger of losing.

* It eventually lead to the rabid neanderthal like reaction after a hot button issue after Floyd and Chauvin interaction because people had nothing else to do after being caged like wild animals. Democrats, like a cat that found cheetos, capitalized by gaslighting the racism debate.

All these things were due to the insatiable lust of power (money) at any expense.
 
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I aint buying it..I do not know anybody that would have not voted for Trump sans Fauci.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
PJ places too much weight on that. Fauci was a disaster, but even if Trump would have booted him off the stage once it was apparent that he had an agenda, I guarantee you the media would have made him a martyr and he STILL would have had as much media access as he would have gotten if he was front and center. In other words, Fauci was going to be a bad actor regardless of what Trump did.
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Trump gave him prime time and lots of it. Without that, Fauci would have been relegated to 11pm on MSNBC
 
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vols4sure said:
Delusional. Trump fires head of CDC at beginning of COVID and media has him prime time every night.
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Well I've never said he should have been fired. Trump should have never made him the main attraction and allowed him to control the narrative for the admin's entire response
 
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Grand Vol said:
That's my point. Shouldn't have allowed him in front in the first place
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There was no way of knowing that Fauci was going to flip like he did. If you listen to what Fauci was saying in January and February of last year and compare it to what he said after the COVID was in full swing, it was night and day different. I think you're asking Trump to be clairvoyant enough to know that Fauci is going to go from being reasonable to being a loose cannon.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
There was no way of knowing that Fauci was going to flip like he did. If you listen to what Fauci was saying in January and February of last year and compare it to what he said after the COVID was in full swing, it was night and day different. I think your asking Trump to be clairvoyant enough to know that Fauci is going to go from being reasonable to being a loose cannon.
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As I've stated before, he was in a no-win situation to begin with concerning Covid. No matter what he did, it was going to be wrong.
 
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Grand Vol said:
As I've stated before, he was in a no-win situation to begin with concerning Covid. No matter what he did, it was going to be wrong.
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Exactly. The media was going to jump in with both feet no matter what Trump did and the DNC already had their mouths drooling on how to take advantage of the situation going into November. And truthfully, as scatter brained as Trump can be at times, the fact that he did NOT try to override any of the governors and let them handle the situations however they see fit is something that he should be commended on. The media was asking for some large centralized action coming from DC and Trump, to his credit, allowed the states to take control of things. Truth be told, lets not forget that trump was anxious to get things opened back up on Easter last year. If you want to blame anyone on that not happening, I would blame the so-called "patriots" and evangelical communities for not being more enthusiastic about opening up on Easter. But in stead, the "patriots" chose not spill the blood of tyrants on the tree of liberty. Trump got little to no support from that community and he ended up having to backdown to the media pressure in the end.
 
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Do people really think that Fauci was a net negative on the virus? Personally I think without him it could have been worse. Much, much worse.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Do people really think that Fauci was a net negative on the virus? Personally I think without him it could have been worse. Much, much worse.
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What did he do outside of give mixed messages? He was saying one thing before the shutdowns and totally flipped after the media embraced him.
 
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Clyburn endorsing Biden in SC primary. E.Warren, Buttigieg and Bernie werent gonna beat Trump in the general...

Clyburn's endorsement got the SC AA vote out and that ultimately got Biden the nomination and just enough votes in the general..
 
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