What will happen if the GOP keeps the house and senate?, Some in the DNC are already

[OrangeEmpire]

Can violence be far behind?

On the fringe left, that's a real possibility. The social climate is now such that the weathermen could easily make a comeback.

I don’t think so.

We on the right are all the ‘gun nuts’ anyway.

Right now I give them the Democratic a 1 in 4 chance of taking either house.

1 in 10 of taking both. They would have to ‘run the table’

What I really think will happen is that they will pick up 3-4 seats in the Senate and 9-11 in the House, declare a huge victory over the Evil Bush and go home, nothing really changed.

White House Upbeat About GOP Prospects - washingtonpost.com

Amid widespread panic in the Republican establishment about the coming midterm elections, there are two people whose confidence about GOP prospects strikes even their closest allies as almost inexplicably upbeat: President Bush and his top political adviser, Karl Rove.

Some Republicans on Capitol Hill are bracing for losses of 25 House seats or more. But party operatives say Rove is predicting that, at worst, Republicans will lose only 8 to 10 seats -- shy of the 15-seat threshold that would cede control to Democrats for the first time since the 1994 elections and probably hobble the balance of Bush's second term.

Now the Washington pot goes on to ask: ‘Are they nuts?’ which is to say that they think they are…or hope they are.

But you really have to ask; what do they know that we don’t?

To Rove and the small cadre of operatives who have been at his side throughout the administration -- including Republican National Committee Chairman Ken Mehlman and White House political director Sara Taylor -- confidence flows from a conviction that a political operation that has produced three consecutive national victories is capable of one more, despite voter disaffection with Iraq and GOP scandals in Washington.

Republican officials say the three closely coordinate strategy, with constant e-mails and a daily conference call. They see this familiarity -- in many respects it is the same team leading GOP strategy as in the past two elections -- as one advantage they have over Democrats, whose leaders on Capitol Hill and national party officials have been at odds on strategy.

All you can say is: We’ll see

 

[MG1968]

I'm sure Howard Dean has already dispatched his goon squads to Ohio and Florida and other places the dems have a shot at winning. Lawyers are standing by to claim fraud. Tinfoil hat brigades lay in wait in districts voting via Diebold machines. Local election commissions are probably discarding absentee ballots from the military.

It's going to be ugly no matter who comes out in control of Congress.

 

[samanderson]

:cray: Of course Rove and Bush are not worried!! The Republican IN CHARGE OF ELECTIONS who gave Bush Ohio in 2004 has already sent out letters in Ohio to registered voters stating they need to respond and give additional verification on identity to remain registered voters. That translates to a lot of folks being turned away from the polls on the 7th. The greatest bulk of the letters (95% )have gone to democrats. This has also happened in 5 other undisclosed states.

Habeous Corpus has been shelved, and we can no longer expect an honest election in this country. You republicans have it all now, and will stoop to any depth to keep it. In the meantime, what used to be a pretty decent country to live in continues to morph from oligarchy to out and out pure facism.

If the dems don't at least take a majority in the house, it will be time to start packing and looking elsewhere around the globe to take up residence. "America the beautiful....?" Oh give me a break. This has become the land of SMALL MINDS (VERY SMALL) and corporate greed.

 

[therealUT]

:cray: Of course Rove and Bush are not worried!! The Republican IN CHARGE OF ELECTIONS who gave Bush Ohio in 2004 has already sent out letters in Ohio to registered voters stating they need to respond and give additional verification on identity to remain registered voters. That translates to a lot of folks being turned away from the polls on the 7th. The greatest bulk of the letters (95% )have gone to democrats. This has also happened in 5 other undisclosed states.

Habeous Corpus has been shelved, and we can no longer expect an honest election in this country. You republicans have it all now, and will stoop to any depth to keep it. In the meantime, what used to be a pretty decent country to live in continues to morph from oligarchy to out and out pure facism.

If the dems don't at least take a majority in the house, it will be time to start packing and looking elsewhere around the globe to take up residence. "America the beautiful....?" Oh give me a break. This has become the land of SMALL MINDS (VERY SMALL) and corporate greed.

Good riddance. Have fun abroad. I hope by the time you realize what you have taken for granted, you have already revoked your US citizenship and become a citizen of one of those great Socialist societies on Fortress Europa.

 

[volinbham]

:cray: Of course Rove and Bush are not worried!! The Republican IN CHARGE OF ELECTIONS who gave Bush Ohio in 2004 has already sent out letters in Ohio to registered voters stating they need to respond and give additional verification on identity to remain registered voters. That translates to a lot of folks being turned away from the polls on the 7th. The greatest bulk of the letters (95% )have gone to democrats. This has also happened in 5 other undisclosed states.

Habeous Corpus has been shelved, and we can no longer expect an honest election in this country. You republicans have it all now, and will stoop to any depth to keep it. In the meantime, what used to be a pretty decent country to live in continues to morph from oligarchy to out and out pure facism.

If the dems don't at least take a majority in the house, it will be time to start packing and looking elsewhere around the globe to take up residence. "America the beautiful....?" Oh give me a break. This has become the land of SMALL MINDS (VERY SMALL) and corporate greed.

If only the people that threaten to leave based on election results actually left - man what a wonderful world that would be.

 

[therealUT]

I enjoyed the last two words: 'corporate greed.' I mainly enjoyed them for two reasons, the first being obvious (who goes in to business with an idea to make less than they can possibly make?), and the second, corporations are responsible for the most charity in this country!

 

[cibai]

Good riddance. Have fun abroad. I hope by the time you realize what you have taken for granted, you have already revoked your US citizenship and become a citizen of one of those great Socialist societies on Fortress Europa.

By the time you realize what you have squandered it will probably be too late.
:thumbsup:

 

[volinbham]

I just don't understand why some reactions are so extreme. To say we are becoming a pure facist state is so far from reality it's not even funny. Various administrations nudge our system one way or the other but the move and has virtually no real impact on the core system of our democratic republic.

 

[GAVol]

IMO, the real irony is that anybody on either side who actually left the country based on the outcome of an election would be doing something much more un-American than those that they found so distasteful.

 

[volinbham]

IMO, the real irony is that anybody on either side who actually left the country based on the outcome of an election would be doing something much more un-American than those that they found so distasteful.

Exactly right - it flies in the face of letting the electorate decide.

Although, if Babs had made good on her promise I would have supported her completely :dance2:

 

[herksrus]

:cray: Of course Rove and Bush are not worried!! The Republican IN CHARGE OF ELECTIONS who gave Bush Ohio in 2004 has already sent out letters in Ohio to registered voters stating they need to respond and give additional verification on identity to remain registered voters. That translates to a lot of folks being turned away from the polls on the 7th. The greatest bulk of the letters (95% )have gone to democrats. This has also happened in 5 other undisclosed states.

Habeous Corpus has been shelved, and we can no longer expect an honest election in this country. You republicans have it all now, and will stoop to any depth to keep it. In the meantime, what used to be a pretty decent country to live in continues to morph from oligarchy to out and out pure facism.

If the dems don't at least take a majority in the house, it will be time to start packing and looking elsewhere around the globe to take up residence. "America the beautiful....?" Oh give me a break. This has become the land of SMALL MINDS (VERY SMALL) and corporate greed.

Man, I truly feel sorry for you. Enjoy your new life abroad.

 

[cibai]

Isnt it just as unAmerican to constantly try to silence your opposition?

Bush is closer to Bin Laden than most Americans realize. They are the perfect foil.

 

[volinbham]

Isnt it just as unAmerican to constantly try to silence your opposition?

Bush is closer to Bin Laden than most Americans realize. They are the perfect foil.

Who is trying to silence anyone?

Bush close to Bin Laden - dude, get a grip.

 

[therealUT]

Isnt it just as unAmerican to constantly try to silence your opposition?

Bush is closer to Bin Laden than most Americans realize. They are the perfect foil.

You are a moron.

 

[CSpindizzy]

Free speech...gotta love it.

 

[OWB]

I just don't understand why some reactions are so extreme. To say we are becoming a pure facist state is so far from reality it's not even funny. Various administrations nudge our system one way or the other but the move and has virtually no real impact on the core system of our democratic republic.

IMO, the real irony is that anybody on either side who actually left the country based on the outcome of an election would be doing something much more un-American than those that they found so distasteful.

I enjoyed the last two words: 'corporate greed.' I mainly enjoyed them for two reasons, the first being obvious (who goes in to business with an idea to make less than they can possibly make?), and the second, corporations are responsible for the most charity in this country!

I consider all 3 of you to be very intelligent people and that's why I'm baffled as to why you can't see through Bush and his agendas. Or perhaps I'm baffled (or scared) because you all agree with most everything he does or says and go to great measures to defend him when it's painfully obvious that he doesn't deserve it.

 

[therealUT]

I consider all 3 of you to be very intelligent people and that's why I'm baffled as to why you can't see through Bush and his agendas. Or perhaps I'm baffled (or scared) because you all agree with most everything he does or says and go to great measures to defend him when it's painfully obvious that he doesn't deserve it.

Just wondering what my post, defending corporations, has to do with this?

 

[OWB]

Just wondering what my post, defending corporations, has to do with this?

Nothing, I just had you in mind with that post and that was the closest quote to include you in the group.

And back to the corporations, are you happy that they write your legislations now?

 

[therealUT]

Nothing, I just had you in mind with that post and that was the closest quote to include you in the group.

And back to the corporations, are you happy that they write your legislations now?

I am as happy that corporations write legislation as you are that American labor does the same...

I have a great distaste for what the legislation process has turned in to, in America. However, I believe that it is a problem that both parties are equally responsible for, and I still believe that, as flawed as our system has become since the 1790s, it is still the best system in the world. Do not mistake that for being content though, as I am a professed libertarian, and I hope one day to see the party actually take power in Washington and get us back on track.

 

[CSpindizzy]

Don't expect that any time soon....not unless some cataclysmic event happens to both parties. Too many special interests have bought into both parties and will ensure those two are the only viable ones around. Take a look at the Reform Party as an example.

 

[therealUT]

Don't expect that any time soon....not unless some cataclysmic event happens to both parties. Too many special interests have bought into both parties and will ensure those two are the only viable ones around. Take a look at the Reform Party as an example.

Believe me, I don't know if I can even expect it in my life time. However, the libertarian party is gaining ground in state elections in Kansas (actually holds offices.) This is most likely happening in more than just one state. If, with every passing election, the libertarian party can hold the seats they already have and gain just one or two more across the country, then it will only be a matter of time before people have to recognize it as a major player. However, that matter of time could very well be 50 years.

 

[volinbham]

I consider all 3 of you to be very intelligent people and that's why I'm baffled as to why you can't see through Bush and his agendas. Or perhaps I'm baffled (or scared) because you all agree with most everything he does or says and go to great measures to defend him when it's painfully obvious that he doesn't deserve it.

I'll start with the last - I defend some of his actions and the defense is motivated by the exaggerated attacks against some of them. For example, I might defend the NSA actions with a let's wait and see how this plays out argument in response to suggestions that our civil liberties are being destroyed or we are turning into a facist state! There are plenty of his actions I don't agree with and I'm not as big a supporter as you might think. However, suggestions that he is evil, Hitler, just after oil, orchestrated 9/11, wants to take away all our rights, etc. are so extreme that they require some counter reply. My response is not motivated by a need to defend him (since he doesn't deserve it).

As for seeing through his agenda, the same concept applies. I see so much hate and emotion on the left that it appears to color the perception of every action the Bush administration takes. Every single act is viewed in the most nefarious, self-serving manner. I certainly understand that politicians have agendas but I also suspect that there are times where they are doing things they think are the right thing to do. Further, even if Bush is as bad as the left would suggest, the damage he can do to our way of govenrment and our situation is very limited. The sky is not falling.

 

[CSpindizzy]

Well there is one in Congress now. Ron Paul is Libertarian but runs as a Republican to ensure he's in office. Many think that is the strategy to actually getting into office. Since people have this stigma of Libertarians, that might be the only way to get a viable number initially in office. Then say in five years, have one large coming out party....so to speak.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

:cray: Of course Rove and Bush are not worried!! The Republican IN CHARGE OF ELECTIONS who gave Bush Ohio in 2004 has already sent out letters in Ohio to registered voters stating they need to respond and give additional verification on identity to remain registered voters. That translates to a lot of folks being turned away from the polls on the 7th. The greatest bulk of the letters (95% )have gone to democrats. This has also happened in 5 other undisclosed states.

Habeous Corpus has been shelved, and we can no longer expect an honest election in this country. You republicans have it all now, and will stoop to any depth to keep it. In the meantime, what used to be a pretty decent country to live in continues to morph from oligarchy to out and out pure facism.

If the dems don't at least take a majority in the house, it will be time to start packing and looking elsewhere around the globe to take up residence. "America the beautiful....?" Oh give me a break. This has become the land of SMALL MINDS (VERY SMALL) and corporate greed.

Alec is that you?

 

[OrangeEmpire]

I consider all 3 of you to be very intelligent people and that's why I'm baffled as to why you can't see through Bush and his agendas. Or perhaps I'm baffled (or scared) because you all agree with most everything he does or says and go to great measures to defend him when it's painfully obvious that he doesn't deserve it.

What would his agendas be?

Who agrees with most every thing Bush says?

When it comes down to it, we do not like socialism......